Posted on 01/08/2016 9:57:21 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
On Ted Cruz's eligibility, if he's the great advocate of the Constitution that he purports to be, I don't see why he doesn't agree to the public release of his immigration and naturalization file. Yes, he absolutely has to have an immigration file. We know for a fact that he doesn't have a U.S. birth certificate, and without that, the only way to legally live and work in the United States is via the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
If it's true that he acquired U.S. citizenship at birth through his mother, then the file would consist of a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA). http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html.
If such a document is in fact on file with the Statement Department, then we can at least say that he was a citizen at birth.
But no, that does not close the case. While there's certainly a good argument that "natural born citizen" means "citizen at birth", there are other arguments to the effect that if the purpose of the NBC clause was to prevent a President with divided loyalties, dual citizenship and natural born citizenship would be mutually exclusive categories, and it's not questioned that Cruz was a dual citizen until a bit more than two years ago.
I'd also like to say that for some of us, this issue as it related to Obama and now Cruz is far from just some wacky irrelevant technicality: the basic problem that America faces IMHO is the fact that we have traitors who have infested the highest levels of our government. Maybe not literal traitors actively fighting on the battlefield with our enemies, but traitors in the sense of people who place the interests of non-Americans above the interests of Americans; they don't place our security above our "international obligations", they don't defend our borders, they prioritize the needs of illegal aliens over those of American citizens, they sign international trade deals that decimate American industry, and on and on.
As it happens the Founders of our great nation were also quite concerned about this, having just fought a war for their independence not only against the British Crown, but also against the "Loyalists" who remained loyal to it following the Declaration of Independence. In yet another of their incredibly brilliant and prescient moves in crafting the Constitution, they embedded within it a clause that would (hopefully) ensure that at the highest level of our government, we would exclude those who might have divided loyalties, and even more IMHO, people who in the back of their minds might know that they would always have an "escape hatch" to avoid accountability to the American people by virtue of a latent claim to citizenship in a foreign country.
Yes, ultimately, a socialist traitor can come from anywhere, as can a constitutional conservative, but I don't see anything wrong with maintaining this one small measure of additional insurance against exactly the sort of traitorous, anti-American behavior and ideology that has been the hallmark of the Obama Administration.
Why feed the Piranha, when all they’re going to do is continue their baseless attacks.
Me neither, how about yours?
Precisely.
So would the person who received it as it's ESSENTIALLY their US Birth Certificate.
There might be a naturalization file for Cruz. He was born in Canada to two Canadian citizens (if, in fact, his mother became a Canadian citizen as some sources say).
Only Cruz can make that public:
Details have been emerging which highly suggest that both Ted Cruz’s parents had become Canadian citizens prior to his birth. According to past public statements made by his father, legal opinions and documentation currently available, Rafael (Ted) Cruz was likely born of 2 Canadian citizens in Calgary back in December of 1970.
http://www.examiner.com/article/ted-cruz-must-show-naturalization-papers-to-keep-his-us-senate-seat
See also:
http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/04/revealed-request-for-senator-ted-cruzs.html
https://www.scribd.com/doc/256409078/Cruz-Citizenship-Timeline-documented
I have a U.S. birth certificate. That in and of itself proves U.S. citizenship. Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate. It proves nothing with respect to U.S. citizenship.
If it goes this far, former Sec. of State Hillary or her surrogates during the general election: Senator Cruz can you show us your CRBA to confirm that you are citizen? Of course ‘900 FBI file’ SHillary would already know the answer to this as the former head of the US State Department.
I've read that neither is required. But I've also read his mom did record at the Consulate. I suspect that will help some, but many just will continue to need "one more document".
Cheers!
“thackney wrote:
How does a ‘constitutional’ lawyer not know he is a citizen of Canada?
Studying US law doesn’t make you an expert in Canadian law.”
Seriously? LMAO!
How is that different from any birth certificate?
Exactly. Not something that you’d be looking to lose track of, and given that, I would imagine that the State Department takes care to ensure that there’s always a copy there in case you do lose track of it.
I don’t see why YOU don’t agree to the public release of your file on when you stopped beating your wife.
Doesn't prove NBC.
How do you think he got a US passport when he was 16?
It’s not. A birth certificate is only good to prove citizenship for the nation in which it was issued. A U.S. birth certificate is sufficient to prove U.S. citizenship; a Canadian birth certificate is sufficient to prove Canadian citizenship. A Canadian birth certificate is not sufficient to prove U.S. citizenship, and a U.S. birth certificate would not be sufficient to prove Canadian citizenship. That’s why as it relates to U.S. citizenship, there’s a document called the Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA).
I’m not running for President, that’s why. Next question.
Indeed it does not. Unless you agree that natural born citizen equals citizen at birth or born on U.S. soil, in which case it would.
My understanding is that a CRBA is optional.
Exactly how do you know that Ted's mother did not become a Canadian citizen at the same time as his father did?
I've never seen where the question has been answered, one way or the other.
That's very kind of you. Now would you care to point out the phrase natural born citizen in that code?
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