Posted on 12/24/2015 7:07:28 AM PST by dangus
Donald Trump has an excuse for funding Hillary Clinton's election to the U.S. Senate from New York: That's how crony socialism is done. You pay off elected officials to become their crony, then you get special consideration for your real estate deals. Please FReepers, explain to me how this isn't precisely what we are trying to STOP in Washington? Do you know what I don't hear coming from Trump? "I'm going to put an end to such games." Rather, it seems like he is proud of how he has played the game, considers it is how he rose to the top, and in his generous self-appraisal, figures that anything that helped him make more of his billions must be good.
He also favors socialized medicine. Not just a mandated level of services (Obamacare), but the government paying for universal, single-payer health care. This isn't an opinion from 2000. This is from his current campaign:
Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?
Donald Trump: There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–â€
Scott Pelley: Universal health care.
Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.
Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?
Donald Trump: They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably–
Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?
Donald Trump: –the government’s gonna pay for it.
Trump isn't a conservative. He's a narcissist who can't help telling the crowds what he thinks they want to hear. And so what we get in the Republican debates is an unelectable charicature of conservatism. One moment he's for keeping all Muslims out; the next he's only for keeping Islamofascists out. Well, duh. One moment, he's against the invasion of America by millions of communist Chinese and socialist Mexicans, the next, he's endorsing touchback amnesty.
Wait... you didn't know Trump favors granting citizenship to just about any red Chinese or Mexican who asks for it? "We have a lot of good people, they’ve been here and they've done a good job. It’s a tough situation and in some cases they haven’t been good people, and there have been some problems. The good ones we’ll expedite."
That's right... he's going to expedite illegal aliens already in the United States so that they can come right back into the United States.
Building a wall and then expediting illegal aliens in a touchback amnesty might help solve the security risks of uncontrolled illegal aliens, but how exactly are we going to simultaneously "expedite" them and screen them for terrorist connections? More than that, the fear that there might be terrorists among illegal aliens is one of the relatively minor issues I have with illegal aliens. I don't want my country invaded by Red Chinese and Mexican Reconquistadoras, driving down wages and consuming far more government services that they pay for.
But then we come to the issue that will make Donald Trump utterly, totally, completely unelectable. Unlike most socialists, Trump believes that American middle-class wages are too high. He has said this at almost every debate, and no rival or moderator has called him out on it. But with the Republicans already having a tough sell with Romney's legendary 47% who live off the government, can Republicans tell the vast majority of the remainder of Americans, "Oh, by the way, we'd be happy if you had way less money?"
Please, people, don't be like that Democrat socialite who couldn't believe Nixon won because she didn't know anyone who voted Republican. Trump is getting 96% of the coverage of Republican candidates, so he is who everyone is talking about. But don't confuse the volume of attention with electability. In a head-to-head poll matchup, Trump loses to Bernie Sanders in a landslide.
I've always thought the mainstream Republicans were fools to refuse to stand up for conservative values in the hope of winning an election. It's not just about watering down your beliefs to win over the middle; it's about giving people in the middle reason to think you'll do something about the conservative concerns they do have, and giving the base a reason to come out to vote. But is nominating someone who makes 58% of Americans think he is just an obnoxious blowhard the solution?
Please, if you think I'm an idiot, don't just tell me I'm an idiot. Tell me where you think I'm wrong. Tell me why you don't believe Trump won't pass a touchback amnesty into law, or won't institute socialized medicine. Show me data to say how he has a prayer of winning. I really do want a reason to believe that we're not about piss away our best chance at electing a conservative president since Ronald Reagan.
Nutritionally, you are what you eat.
Politically, you are who you vote for.
Good post.
>> Why does who he prefer matter to the substantive issues with trumps candidacy?
Because there is an election coming — I’m sure you noticed.
Without an alternative, dynamiting the front-runner serves no good purpose.
same here. I think Trump at this point will get it, but anything goes for next year. Just thank your lucky stars we dont have jeb to rally for..
>> I didn’t want the focus to be on what’s wrong with candidate so-and-so.
That’s a bald-face lie! Your entire post tells us what’s wrong with candidate so-and-so.
For the record: I’m for Cruz. But viciously tearing down Trump without positioning an alternative is unproductive folly in an election with so much at stake.
I’ll give my limited response:
1. He’s already said Universal Healthcare might have worked in a different time (in fact, in same interview) but those days are gone - he wants to open up competition across state lines.
2. Uninsured? Not sure if he was talking about emergency care - basically what we have today. I don’t think he meant, nor can you specifically show me, unlimited care.
3. “Wait.. you didn’t know Trump favors granting citizenship to just about any red Chinese or Mexican who asks for it?” - He never said that. Show me where. What he has BEEN SAYING for 6 months is “Illegal? They need to GET OUT! Come back LEGALLY!”. But also, in same context, he’s said “We want the best and the brightest! We’ll do something to expedite THEM coming back in”. I see no problem with that - as we have ALWAYS wanted/welcomed the best and brightest from other countries - but the LEGAL immigration process is so bureaucratic. He wants to streamline.
So I think you’re not stating the truth here, but giving your opinion.
4. I have NEVER heard him say in a debate the wages of the middle class are too high. (Probably why no moderator or opponent has called him on it - he didn’t say it.) He’s said the opposite - in context of NOT raising minimum wage - can’t do it - AND “I want EVERYONE’s wages to rise - i.e., make the economy healthy”.
Please link to ONE instance of him saying it.
5. He’s not a narcissist. Many people who’ve worked with him or know him say when you meet him, away from the ‘shtick’ he does in the spotlight, he’s a self-deprecating and more humble guy, personable.
We have seen for 8 years a truth narcissist in Zero.
Can’t figure it out myself. Trump is a liberal, he has the same megalomania and narcissism as Obama, he is declaring his intent to do things that are far beyond the authority of any President (”I will mandate the death penalty” for any cop killer), he changes positions depending on the time and the audience, and he is uninformed about issues, but he has support. Of course, it worked for Obama, so why not try it? He is part of the MSM, which made him a celebrity. He’d be an unknown real estate developer without them, and you can be sure he’ll be back on NBC after the campaign.
If the front runner is a bloviating, narcissistic, statist who will only further destroy the country....dynamiting him is the duty of all freedom loving patriots.
And as the OPs post cited example after example after example of trump being a narcissistic statist, let the dynamiting commence and continue.
I agree, Trump is certainly not my first choice. But if he becomes the nominee, I will vote for him over any democrat!
Trump is a canny opportunist whose main concern has always been building his brand. I don’t think that he ever expected to get this far, and may be so caught up in his own ego that he now believes he can be President. It’s an odd situation.
Trump would not be a good president. I’m a Cruz fan all the way. But I would vote for Trump over Hilary. We have got to keep her out of the WH
I still believe that conservatives are always electable at the national level. Yes, there was a great opportunity after Carter, and Reagan was there. Bush easily rode in after Reagan, winning 80ish percent of the states. He didn’t stay conservative - because he never really was - and he lost.
After Obama, another great opportunity. No doubt about it. But I still believe conservatism wins every time. It is getting tough in the ‘take care of me’ world to which we seem to be evolving, but I still think conservatism wins.
Trump. I wish I could explain it to you. Normally we conservatives pick apart each other’s candidates because of one small weakness, which makes ‘your guy’ (or gal) not ‘pure’. But with DT, many on this site (which I thought was pretty conservative) have embraced him...and I just don’t get it.
We have a couple decent conservative (ish) candidates now. Not perfect - certainly better than the last couple the GOP has saddled us with. But, for now, DT is running to the gap that Ross Perot filled - take enough votes from ‘the middle’ to make a difference. Can he be elected? I don’t know the answer to that. Is he the next Reagan, a great conservative president? Sadly, I do know the answer to that. I think a lot of even his supporters know it. Are we just so tired of losing to supremely unqualified candidates that winning at any cost is worth it? Or do some folks really believe DT would lead as a conservative?
So I answered in detail and you breezed right by it.... okay......
Trump has never given to Hillary or to other federal candidates.
He also favors socialized medicine.
He never did; his quote was taken out of context.
Trump isn't a conservative.
He's better: He's an American-first patriot.
That's right... he's going to expedite illegal aliens already in the United States so that they can come right back into the United States.
The majority of them wouldn't though. With Trump reforming trade and immigration, the illegals will realize that their government is putting them out to pasture and will fight for reform in their native countries.
I've always thought the mainstream Republicans were fools to refuse to stand up for conservative values in the hope of winning an election.
Excuse me, have you SEEN the state of the Republican Party today? Do you not realize that 2 midterm landslide elections were just pissed away?
Good post.
FReepers want a revolution.
With Trump, we’ll get a French Revolution. With Cruz, we’ll get an American Revolution.
Let me add the positives:
1. He’s a very successful businessman, driven to win, who hates inefficiency and bloat and lethargy. Something we KNOW government has WAY too much of. He will cut out the fat, it’s the way he’s always operated.
2. He is NOT PC. We’ve choked as a society the past 25 years from PC and now it’s literally killing us. He cuts through the PC garbage and speaks more straightforward - even blunt, on what is going on. We NEED that. We need to KILL the Media/Elites control of this.
3. He is tired of American being Uncle Sucker. He is a master negotiator/deal maker. Whether it be economy or war situations - he has clearly stated - No holds barred - in it to win it or not in it at all. We NEED that at this time.
4. He loves America - not this equivalency garbage or taking it down a few notches. People love that and miss that.
Except for the ones who aren’t.
Trump has never given to Hillary or to other federal candidates.
He also favors socialized medicine.
He never did; his quote was taken out of context.
Trump isn't a conservative.
He's better: He's an American-first patriot.
That's right... he's going to expedite illegal aliens already in the United States so that they can come right back into the United States.
The majority of them wouldn't though. With Trump reforming trade and immigration, the illegals will realize that their government is putting them out to pasture and will fight for reform in their native countries.
I've always thought the mainstream Republicans were fools to refuse to stand up for conservative values in the hope of winning an election.
Excuse me, have you SEEN the state of the Republican Party today? Do you not realize that 2 midterm landslide elections were just pissed away?
I clearly have to right another editorial. Too many people don’t get it. Scroll up to see my summary if you wish.
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