Posted on 08/19/2015 6:32:32 AM PDT by jimbo123
Donald Trump clashed with Bill O’Reilly on Tuesday night over the part of his immigration plan that would take away citizenship from the children who were born in the United States but whose parents came to the country illegally.
Under the 14th Amendment, O’Reilly told Trump on “The O’Reilly Factor,” mass deportations of so-called birthright citizens cannot happen.
Trump disagreed, and said that “many lawyers are saying that’s not the way it is in terms of this.”
“What happens is, they’re in Mexico, they’re going to have a baby, they move over here for a couple of days, they have the baby,” Trump said, telling O’Reilly that the lawyers said, “It’s not going to hold up in court, it’s going to have to be tested.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
The 14th Amendment has been used by Liberals for decades as a grab bag to justify everything under the sun including same sex marriage and anchor babies.
It should be repealed.
Apparently the 14th is the new leftist excuse for everything. It guarantees foreign takeover an gives federal control over marriage. Next, it will justify imprisonment of anyone who disagrees, I suppose.
If the parents are illegal...the kids are illegal. You can’t skip the legal step.
“Apparently the 14th is the new leftist excuse for everything”.
The sodomite-loving Anthony Kennedy sure likes to cite it.
Headline? Did Trump really say that a constitutional amendment is unconstitutional? Or is this some half-educated hack at Politico?
And don’t forget abortion on demand and the “right to privacy.”
Misleading title.
Trump said his Constitutional experts are saying the current interpretation that you can commit a crime and then benefit from ‘anchor baby’ status is wrong.
Mark Levin did a show on it explaining it. Trump is right.
If Trump said this, I don’t think he meant the Amendment was at fault..
the way the illegal aliens are using it is at fault..
its unConstitutional for illegal aliens to claim American citizenship...
/sarc
Nowhere in that exchange did Trump say the 14th Amendment was unconstitutional. If anything, he's saying it's being misapplied.
I don't know why he didn't just school O'Reilly on the purpose of the 14th Amendment. Namely to give citizenship to slaves.
Politico needs, among other things, an editor who knows how to compose Article Titles.
The meaning of the 14th Amendment is certainly arguable and I’m on Trump’s side. But the idea that an Amendment to the Constitution is unconstitutional represents some sort of nonsense. I’m sure there is a good word for it.
GEE, I wonder if his CORRECT POSITION on the “PROGRESSIVE” PERVERTED 14th AMENDMENT has anything to do with his rise in the polls? I just PRAY he’s SINCERE!!!
A prime technique for bringing down an existing social order is to OVERLOAD and OVERWHELM the governmental systems, creating economic and social chaos. What’s going on today is straight out of Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” and the Cloward-Piven Strategy named for the Marxist maniac couple who tutored obazo on its finer points. Because we have NOT sent home 20 million illegals, WE NOW HAVE THE FISCAL BANKRUPTCY AND ARE CLOSING IN ON THE SOCIAL CHAOS. BOTH parties have been applying those methods but obozo, who studied those methods under Bill Ayers and later became a devotee of Cloward-Piven strategy while a so-called “community organizer,” is using ALL the gadgets in the radical toolkit. If it continues much longer, YOUR kids are doomed to life as serfs in a nation that will more resemble Nazi Germany or the old USSR than the America the Founders ATTEMPTED to leave us.
My niece was an OB/GYN who took her pre-med at HAAAAVVAAAAADDD! Needless to say, she emerged from that experience a LIBERAL. (She stopped catching babies and went into research when her malpractice premiums ultimately began to exceed her annual earnings.)
Upon completing her medical training at yet another liberal university, she interned at a hospital near the border in “Kahlifonia.”
It was there that a mystical transformation took place: She began to connect the heavy deductions from the slave wage GROSS EARNINGS for which she busted her butt for as many as 72 virtually sleepless hours with the taxis and jalopies regularly sliding to the curb in front of the ER.
Many of them contained pregnant illegals who won the race to deliver their babies HERE. She caught many of those “anchor babies” who, under the current — and COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS —interpretation of the 14th Amendment were IMMEDIATELY NEW AMERICANS. The mother – who, obviously, could not care for the child if she were back in her native land — could not be deported now even if the INS and the political bosses WANTED her deported (which, because these illegals can generally be counted on to vote the liberal line, they DO NOT). And as the mother of a new US citizen, the woman could remain here for about as long as she cared to – and that was usually for life.
(NOTE: I’ll post several links to more information on the 14th Amendment at the end of my little rant. It’s a fascinating and disturbing story.
Most of those patients were welfare recipients and the deliveries were charity cases: The bill for the hospital’s – and HER services – were routinely spread over the bills of those who DO pay. And what the other users of those facilities don’t cover went back to the taxpayers.
And since my family member was now a taxpayer, they were costing HER.
And while she may not exactly be a libertarian, today she has come a long way from Harvard.
And just so the bleeders who might see this don’t think me some sort of ethnocentric bigot, I submit this problem is MORE than just about illegals.
Before my oldest daughter was born at University Hospital in Cleveland in 1967, I sat in the main lobby as welfare mother-to-be after welfare mother-to-be waddled through the door to the maternity ER for THEIR free deliveries.
Before WE could take OUR daughter home, I had to cough up over 3 grand. And that was a great deal of dough in 1967, especially for a guy who’d just finished a 4 year turn in the USAF.
As I wrote the check, I remembered the magazine article I’d recently read by a hospital administrator from Massachusetts who admitted that all US hospitals practiced a form of medical Marxism, spreading the costs of care for indigents over the bills of those who DO pay for care. Given the move to socialism here, it probably will never be otherwise: Not counting Byzantine complexity and confusion, government produces – and has — NOTHING unless it first takes it from some PERSON. SOMEBODY ALWAYS PAYS.
The illegals have been using the emergency rooms of our hospitals for their health-care, almost always at no charge to them. That cost is either spread over other users or the taxpayers. We have seen a national epidemic of hospital closings due to their insolvency, much of it caused by the burden of trying to render care to PEOPLE WHO SHOULDN’T EVEN BE HERE, denying care to native-born citizens who normally pay their bills and their taxes. And, I submit, the drain the illegals impose on the welfare system is a major reason for our national insolvency and the impending social chaos. (Thank you grubby leftist, power-hungry RINO politicians and bureaucrats!)
Look, I have a big enough problem paying for the 3rd and 4th generation slackers and welfare bums who were BORN here.
It’s long past time we stopped paying for those who were not.
PS: Sadly, we lost my niece to cancer in May of 2011 – at age 50!
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AFTER RANT POST:
For a short, Reader’s Digest version of the ORIGINAL intent of the 14th Amendment, go here: http://pocusa.info/NLArchive22_14thAmndt.html . For a more comprehensive explanation of the events surrounding the amendment, go here: http://www.14thamendment.us/index.html )
I agree. I think I’d support anyone who ran on a platform of repealing the 14th amendment...
I would argue that since they are here in violation to our laws they are not subject to the jurisdiction thereof. If they were subject to the jurisdiction they would not be here.
TRump is right. The 14th Amendment does not guarantee citizenship to anchor babies. And any pundit that says it does says so without anything to back it up.
I’m sick of this.
Trump is doubling down on this, because he’s right.
The headline is ridiculous.
Evidently the “progressives” now insist that there is only one valid interpretation of a constitutional amendment.
Mark Levin explained this very well, yesterday.
The 14th Amendment does NOT grant “birthright” citizenship.
July 9th 1886 was when the 14th amendment was ratified.
We don’t have time machines to go back and warn them of what would come of it, but it’s there.
Fence the Border
Zero Legal Immigration until all the illegals are returned home.
Send back all the illegals, and no more illegals
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