Posted on 06/08/2015 1:16:50 PM PDT by Pinkbell
In a minute, I will get to the two gay persons involved in exposing this and the porn history behind the magazine In Touch.
First, I of course want to say that Josh Duggar’s actions were inexcusable, lest anyone accuse me of supporting what he did. I realize the media would have had no “dirt” on them had this not happened. That said, I listened to the interview with his parents, and I listened to the interview with the victims. I do believe the parents tried to do the right thing. They ultimately did get him help and contact the authorities. Say what you will about the help that they got Josh, but it seemed to work. There has been no indication from even the media that he has ever done something since he was 15. If he has, then I take that back, but there is no proof that he has.
The thing that I am getting at is that this is bigger in the liberal media than I believe it would have been had this happened to a liberal family. When the news of this molestation scandal came out, the first thing that I thought is, "They finally got them." There are a couple different websites, one in particular, who have disliked the Duggars for years due to their conservative, Christian beliefs. The one thing the Duggars did which essentially "doomed" them was to speak out against the gay agenda. It's not that the Duggars have ever said they hate gay people. Michelle's sister happens to be a lesbian, and they still love her. The Duggars simply believe marriage is between one man and one woman and children need to have a mother and father. Michelle Duggar made a robocall against a transgender bill out of concern that a man could claim to "feel" he is a woman to be able to use the womens' room to prey on a woman or young girls. She never said that ALL or even a majority of transgender people are child molestors like the media is playing it off as.
That brings me to my point, one of the sites is a site where the majority of posters do not like the Duggars or "fundies" or conservatives in general. Anyway, this person was linked as the person who tipped off In Touch or at least helped. She and her partner are lesbians who gave the dirt to In Touch [no idea how she knew], but she has a history of not liking the Duggars. Michelle Duggar making a robocall arguing against transgenders in the bathrooms really set her and her partner off. They organized a gay "kiss in" in front of the Duggars home. She is very proud of herself, and here is a link to her claiming credit for the In Touch story:
http://imgur.com/QjT4Pwy
Second of all, the writer who broke the story for In Touch is a gay man who also broke the story of John Edwards with Rielle Hunter. I mention the latter because it does show he is willing to throw the other side under the bus for a good story, but I think he relished throwing the Duggars under the bus. He did an interview with The Advocate:
19 Questions With the Gay Journalist Who Brought Down the Duggars
Here are a few key questions I excerpted to illustrate my point:
The Advocate: Hi Rick. Congrats on the piece. How did you come to break this story?
Rick Egusquiza: Thank you. The rumors of Joshua Duggar being sexually inappropriate as a teenager were circulating for years, but no one could prove it until In Touch Weekly really started digging into it. My bosses received a tip and then sent me and a team to Springdale, Ark., to start digging around. One tipster led me to another, and then another. I have to say it was good old-fashioned reporting on the ground and a lot of door-knocking. Also a lot of leg work from our team of excellent reporters and editors. I'd love to take full credit, but it wasn't a one-man job.
Were you aware the family had a history of homophobia and transphobia?
I assumed they weren't fans of our community because they were such Bible-thumping conservative Christians, and I knew Josh Duggar worked for the Family Research Council. I learned a lot more about them when I was doing research for this story. I was disgusted by Michelle's robocall to the citizens of Fayetteville, Ark., regrading trans women and restrooms and comparing them to child molesters when she knew about her son’s actions.
Why do you think the Duggars are so popular?
Unfortunately, a lot of people in this country still have the same beliefs [as the Duggars] so they put the Duggars on a pedestal. On the other hand, I think a lot of the country and the world are very happy that their hypocrisy has been uncovered. Now, they’re more popular than ever though.
What's been your favorite response to the story?
When people thank me for doing God's work. Of course, now that the story is out, everyone I meet tells me the same thing, which is, "I knew it! I just knew something weird was going on in that family." Of course, "weird" is a major understatement; it was a crime.
Can't you dig up something good on that racist, antigay Duck Dynasty clan?
I’ll get on that, but I don’t think we’re done with the Duggars yet.
http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/television/2015/06/04/19-questions-gay-journalist-who-brought-down-duggars
Here is some info regarding In Touch and its connection to porn as well:
The Wrap reported in 2013:
But an investigation by TheWrap has found that there is a darker side to the privately held company, including publication of at least one magazine appealing to neo-Nazis, as well as significant involvement in the distribution of pornography — including Nazi-themed porn movies.
These lend perspective to Bauer’s legal woes in the United States, including a $50 million defamation lawsuit by Tom Cruise, filed last October after two U.S.-based publications alleged he’d abandoned his daughter Suri. In fact, Bauer generates dozens of legal complaints worldwide each year about invasion of privacy or libel, according to a lawyer who has frequently opposed them.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/06/06/meet-the-terrible-porn-publisher-behind-the-outing-of-the-duggar-abuse-story/
The two sites mentioned have a lot of posters who have wanted the Duggars off the air for a long time, and the bottom line is because they are “fundies” or very conservative Christians. They were looking for something, anything to get them, and they got it. I saw one post from a poster who said they were disappointed this had to be this type of scandal because it involved molestation, but they wanted something, and others agreed. Another poster on the second forum who was a liberal was actually disgusted that some liberal friends on Facebook were rejoicing over this because they hate the Duggars.
These people say they just care about the girls...all while bashing their family by calling them a cult, creepy, weird, etc. and then proudly calling for the show to be cancelled...what they've wanted for years but didn't have a valid reason to do so. This isn't primarily about the girls to them, and Jessa said so last night on Megyn Kelly. This is about taking this family down all the while trying to be sympathetic. Does this journalist care what he put those girls through? They say they feel worse now than when it happened? No. He's proud of himself, and he is still digging.
My final point is that people say the Duggars are getting more heat because they held themselves up as “moral arbitrators,” and therefore, they are hypocrites. Isn’t this always the spiel with the liberals regarding conservatives? If a conservative has sinned or has a bad past, does that mean that he/she can’t speak out for conservative, Christian issues today? Josh, by all accounts so far, has turned his life around, so it’s not as if he is saying one thing and doing another. If he was still doing it or it was done as an adult and covered up, I would agree with them. Do they ever so severely call out their own who act as “moral arbitrators” for the modern, secular humanist agenda that rules today’s society?
you mean the girls, 2 of them had weddings he was not invited to, didn’t know?
please.
What was his punishment anyways?
No. Play your own malicious games. You have plenty of like minded people to play with. I am not among them.
I am completely confused. Who has the left been after? I will throw lefties under the bus in a heartbeat but if you are talking about them attacking the Duggar’s, I’ve not heard of this. Not until it came out that their child has been guilty of molesting others.
That’s the strange thing here.... There are a lot of people that are excusing this guy and his family. They lied. The only reason this came to light is because someone put it out there. They would have continued hiding this and making more money based on them being holier than thou.
I’ve answered repeatedly. Perhaps you’ve missed it. I’ll say it again.
After the SECOND time, when it was clear it was NOT just hormonal curiousity but in fact predatory behavior he (Josh) should have been removed from the home. Either to his grandparents or an apartment with his father. While he received REAL therapy (Not the Gothard therapy that allowed teen toddler molesters to put partial blame on the ‘immodest sitting’ of their toddler sisters) for this. Firstly to remove HIM from temptation while he got counseling. Secondly to give his sisters a safe space again.
The fact that JimBob did NOT do anything at that point ALLOWED it to progress to felonious behavior which WOULD necessarily involve the cops.
I admit that after the FIRST time (which was in fact predatory, it involved sleeping victims) would have been even better. Sneaking into your sisters rooms at night to cop a feel is NOT normal kid behavior. We’re not talking copping a feel of the babysitter while she’s awake and walking down the hall or in the kitchen fixing a sammich, which would be normal teen kid behavior.
However, DOING anything at that point in ‘02 would have implicated JimBob as a bad parent who wasn’t in control of his family, and in the middle of a senate race, so nothing really was done. JimBob dropped the ball on this. Early and often. And for that reason his oldest son will pretty much always be remembered for nothing else. Such a gift from a father...oy vey.
They do not want your answer. They want your silence.
The Duggars moved into their home in 2006.
When they built the house, the bedrooms were built on the second floor.
The boys room is at one end of the house, over the garage. The room is connected to the rest of the house by a long balcony or catwalk. The girls room is at the other end of the house, past the Duggars bedroom.
The girls are to always lock their door at night.
That's how they encouraged it.
Jim Bob Duggar: Molestation in common in Christian families
http://reverbpress.com/news/jim-bob-duggar-molestation-common-christian-families-video/
This is his attempt to spread the guilt, to NORMALIZE this.
This is vile and Satanic.
Listen I’m the one that gives out ((((Hugs))))).I would have moved the kid out of the house.I would have never sign a deal for reality TV and right now they should shut up and go away.
You seem to conveniently miss the point that he did receive counseling BEFORE he was 18.
The study quoted NEVER said ANYTHING about them having licensed or unlicensed therapy.
What it did say was this:
Similarly, clinical data point to variability in risk for future sex offending as an adult. Multiple short- and long-term clinical followup studies of juvenile sex offenders consistently demonstrate that a large majority (about 85–95 percent) of sex-offending youth have no arrests or reports for future sex crimes. When previously sex-offending youth do have future arrests, they are far more likely to be for nonsexual crimes such as property or drug offenses than for sex crimes (Alexander, 1999; Caldwell, 2002; Reitzel and Carbonell, 2007)
Nothing about counseling.
I knew exactly what the stats said for your information. There are many studies out there. Not all of them so ‘hopeful’
You know sh.. You’re just grasping.
I just looked at just the first 10 reports. NONE of them hint at what you claim as being “not all as hopeful”
You claim that I’m the one who can’t back anything up.
Here you go.
Google search “doj study on juvenile sex offenders molestations”
There’s a whole list of studies for your perusal. MAYBE you can find one that will back up what you say.
Here is the DOJ study that I actually quoted:
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/227763.pdf
Tell you what Buttercup. I posted my sources AND I did actual quotes.
Put up or shut up.
Let’s see these so called studies that you’ve SUPPOSEDLY read.
Google is a miracle.
If these reports exist that you’ve SUPPOSEDLY read, then you should find them...
in oh...
A FEW SECONDS...maybe a few minutes AT MOST.
What happened Cupcake? You accused me of having nothing to back me up. I gave you two links, backing my claims up.
You made claims that you’ve seen reports that were not as hopeful as mine. AND YET...3 hours later...NOTHING!!!
And between ‘02 and ‘06? What were the safeguards then in the ~2000+ sq ft home that housed 15 or 16 people?
The Gothard therapy would necessarily allow him to blame the victims for part of the crime.
No licensing would happen for that sort of therapy you can be assured.
You can be assured that the ‘cure rates’ from the study you posted did NOT involve Gothard therapy.
If you have any cure rates from Gothard therapy please post them. The reoffense rate would depend on the severity of the problem to begin with.
But JimBob wasn’t going to take any chances with something not Gothard approved.
Are you a Christian?
The Duggars are trash, plain and simple
You're a LYING SACK OF SHI-, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
The Duggars weren't obligated to tell you anything.
THEY DID go to the parents of the child, outside of their family who was involved, before they knew anything happened.
They did go to their pastor.
They did go to the elders of their church.
Not exactly "HIDING" it.
WHAT THEY DIDN'T DO
was go to police, which would have automatically brought in DHS. Which would have automatically had the girls removed from the home. Which would have had Josh automatically put into custody.
The family would have been torn apart for no reason, except to punish Josh, instead of redeem him.
So now, Josh as an adult is TRYING (as best anyone can tell) to be a fine upstanding person.
The problem is
A--holes like you, who don't know your a-- from a hole in the ground, about what ACTUALLY happened, won't let that happen.
YOU'RE OFFENDED
By something that doesn't concern you.
However, I noticed that you didn't mention "calling the police" after the first confession.
You did mention that you'd get him into counseling after the SECOND time, but you also wrote:
We’re not talking copping a feel of the babysitter while she’s awake and walking down the hall or in the kitchen fixing a sammich, which would be normal teen kid behavior.
In the Duggar case, the SECOND time involved a "family friend" who was babysitting and sleeping on the sofa (page 17 of the police report.)
The third time involved a much younger sibling, and he was sent away for four months. You and I might not have chosen that place for counseling, but they did send him for counseling. I can understand the parents being impressed by the fact that it was run by a Christian ministry and that a police substation was on the premises. (Everyone is screaming about the guy (Gothard) in charge of the umbrella organization, but his organization ran a bunch of ministries. Was he even there at that particular location when this boy was there? The father and other reports say someone else named Harold Walker was in charge there.)
The point is, the right thing to do is not so cut-and-dry. I get that you disagree with their beliefs. So do I. I think I would've handled the situation differently myself. But their way of handling the situation was not so different from the way law enforcement would've handled it: He might've been out of juvenile detention in the same amount of time, and then back home again.
Media Greed Causing Immeasurable Pain to Duggar Daughters
The Media Greed or the Duggars greed? The Duggars voluntarily went on a reality show while hiding this molestation...one can’t be so naive to not know secrets are outed when one becomes vocal against the homonazis...
The TLC show Honey Boo Boo got cancelled because the mom started dating a convicted child molester so looks like TLC doesn’t have a tolerance towards parents exposing children to child molesters...good for them
That's what I was saying, too, on another thread. If the other children are removed, then what? Who knows what could happen to them in the homes of strangers? The parents sure wouldn't have been able to protect them then.
NOBODY on this forum is excusing what Josh did.
NOBODY!!!
The Duggars never lied about anything.
They went to the parents of the girl involved, outside of their daughters, BEFORE they ever knew anything happened.
They went to their pastor.
And they went to the leaders of their church.
They sent Josh away for a few months, to live with a respected family friend, who knew what happened.
They went to everybody involved.
They took care of it in house.
No lying involved.
As far as "hiding" this.
YOU'RE AN A--HOLE!!!
MILLIONS... YES MILLIONS of families in the US alone, are "HIDING" this very same secret.
And now...because of A--HOLES like you, who feel they are entitled to know every minute detail of peoples lives, simply because they are on tv, other young girls will be too terrified to come forward, with their own stories of abuse.
This story SHOULD have never been let out of the police station. There were minors involved, BOTH perpetrator AND VICTIMS.
Now, after this, what other victims will ever trust their parents or police, to keep their embarrassment hidden.
You're outraged.
Over what?
Do you know if your neighbor was abused? How about your cousin? Maybe the woman 5 doors down?
Are they hiding it from you?
YOU BET THEY ARE!!!
Do you have the right to know?
Hell no!.
I'll make it real clear to you.
Josh WAS removed from the house. After the TIME time.
He went to live with some respected family friends.
There is NOTHING to suggest that it was predatory behavior.
Hyperbole much???
Are maybe libel would be a more correct term.
No licensing would happen for that sort of therapy you can be assured.
You can be assured that the ‘cure rates’ from the study you posted did NOT involve Gothard therapy.
If you have any cure rates from Gothard therapy please post them. The reoffense rate would depend on the severity of the problem to begin with.
But JimBob wasn’t going to take any chances with something not Gothard approved.
You're an ignorant lying sack of shi-, plain and simple.
The "Gothard" therapy does no such thing as blaming the victims.
You're nothing more than a lying piece of crap, with an agenda.
Still haven't responded with those reports you've read, that aren't as hopeful as the other reports I posted.
As far as the time between 2002 and 2006.
I have no idea what the Duggars did.
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY...NEITHER DO YOU!
What we do know...
Is that Duggars did put in place protections in 2006.
Planning and building a house like this, especially the way the Duggars built it, probably took about 2-3 years from the very beginning to the end.
In that time, they planned the layout of the house and how to protect the girls.
Only an a--hole would assume they didn't try to put protections in place, before the house was finished.
The fact that you or I or anyone else in the public doesn't know every detail, doesn't mean they didn't do them.
But hey...go off and assume anyway...its your agenda.
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