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To: Tired of Taxes; wardaddy

I’ve answered repeatedly. Perhaps you’ve missed it. I’ll say it again.

After the SECOND time, when it was clear it was NOT just hormonal curiousity but in fact predatory behavior he (Josh) should have been removed from the home. Either to his grandparents or an apartment with his father. While he received REAL therapy (Not the Gothard therapy that allowed teen toddler molesters to put partial blame on the ‘immodest sitting’ of their toddler sisters) for this. Firstly to remove HIM from temptation while he got counseling. Secondly to give his sisters a safe space again.

The fact that JimBob did NOT do anything at that point ALLOWED it to progress to felonious behavior which WOULD necessarily involve the cops.

I admit that after the FIRST time (which was in fact predatory, it involved sleeping victims) would have been even better. Sneaking into your sisters rooms at night to cop a feel is NOT normal kid behavior. We’re not talking copping a feel of the babysitter while she’s awake and walking down the hall or in the kitchen fixing a sammich, which would be normal teen kid behavior.

However, DOING anything at that point in ‘02 would have implicated JimBob as a bad parent who wasn’t in control of his family, and in the middle of a senate race, so nothing really was done. JimBob dropped the ball on this. Early and often. And for that reason his oldest son will pretty much always be remembered for nothing else. Such a gift from a father...oy vey.


184 posted on 06/08/2015 7:47:01 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

They do not want your answer. They want your silence.


185 posted on 06/08/2015 7:49:49 PM PDT by jimbo807
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To: Black Agnes
Well, I commend you for being straightforward with your answer. And it was a reasonable one. So... Bravo!

However, I noticed that you didn't mention "calling the police" after the first confession.

You did mention that you'd get him into counseling after the SECOND time, but you also wrote:

We’re not talking copping a feel of the babysitter while she’s awake and walking down the hall or in the kitchen fixing a sammich, which would be normal teen kid behavior.

In the Duggar case, the SECOND time involved a "family friend" who was babysitting and sleeping on the sofa (page 17 of the police report.)

The third time involved a much younger sibling, and he was sent away for four months. You and I might not have chosen that place for counseling, but they did send him for counseling. I can understand the parents being impressed by the fact that it was run by a Christian ministry and that a police substation was on the premises. (Everyone is screaming about the guy (Gothard) in charge of the umbrella organization, but his organization ran a bunch of ministries. Was he even there at that particular location when this boy was there? The father and other reports say someone else named Harold Walker was in charge there.)

The point is, the right thing to do is not so cut-and-dry. I get that you disagree with their beliefs. So do I. I think I would've handled the situation differently myself. But their way of handling the situation was not so different from the way law enforcement would've handled it: He might've been out of juvenile detention in the same amount of time, and then back home again.

194 posted on 06/08/2015 8:32:57 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Black Agnes
I’ve answered repeatedly. Perhaps you’ve missed it. I’ll say it again. After the SECOND time, when it was clear it was NOT just hormonal curiousity but in fact predatory behavior he (Josh) should have been removed from the home.

I'll make it real clear to you.

Josh WAS removed from the house. After the TIME time.

He went to live with some respected family friends.

There is NOTHING to suggest that it was predatory behavior.

Hyperbole much???
Are maybe libel would be a more correct term.

198 posted on 06/08/2015 8:46:57 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Black Agnes

I agree moving him from the house to boarding school seemed prudent and dad could afford the 35-50k


207 posted on 06/08/2015 11:30:10 PM PDT by wardaddy (Game of Thrones turned ugly)
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