Evidence of Pre-Columbus Trade Found in Alaska House

Live Science ^ | April 16, 2015 | Owen Jarus

[Rebelbase]

Archaeologists working at the Rising Whale site at Cape Espenberg, Alaska, have discovered several artifacts that were imported from East Asia.

Bronze artifacts discovered in a 1,000-year-old house in Alaska suggest trade was occurring between East Asia and the New World centuries before the voyages of Columbus.

[Leep]

Diddn’t they match “native” american’s dna with Siberian Asia?

[DoughtyOne]

Not at all. I mentioned the Native Americans as being the first discoverers. That wave was significant, but the wave Columbus started was also significant, and more significant to the current civilization here.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

His math was very bad. People tried to tell him that the world was much bigger then he thought but he didn't buy it. The myth that he was proving that the world was round was just that, a myth. People in that era knew the world was round and they had a pretty good idea how big it was.

If it had not been for the existence of the Americas where he could do repairs and take on food and water he never would have made it back.

The scholars of the day were right and Columbus was wrong.

But that is not nearly as inspiring a story so that part gets left out.

The Disneification of history predates Walt Disney. :)

[DoughtyOne]

I’m not particularly interested if Columbus was a sage. He may very well have run into the Americas by mistake. I think that’s on the record.

The fact is he did find the Americas at the time he did, and it did lead to others coming along.

Think of all the things in this world discovered while someone was trying to confirm or explore a different premise or object. They still get the credit for their discoveries none the less.

I don’t think Columbus has to have been right to be credited with his discovery.

I don’t see that as a big scandal. It’s the way it often works.

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[21twelve]

“Think of all the things in this world discovered while someone was trying to confirm or explore a different premise or object.”

Or - just trying to take a bath. (Eureka!!) And I’m guessing he wasn’t the first to have his bath overflow. And Newton wasn’t the first to watch an apple fall.

However, being of 100% Norwegian ancestors, I’m pretty partial to Leif Erickson.

[DoughtyOne]

I don’t have a problem with that. Unfortunately for Leif, it seems his P.R. agent wasn’t as capable. LOL

It seems he and others had been coming to America. It just doesn’t seem they made it known and sparked others to give it a go.

[Viking2002]

Sorry about the eyes. That may be why you had an episode. If your vision was blurry, it may have contributed to momentary vertigo. When the doc puts the drops in my eyes, I have to wear sunglasses the rest of the day, or I bump into everything. Not a pretty sight when I'm in Walmart. LOL *CRASH*

[MamaB]

Let me tell you a little story. Last winter when I was having so much trouble with double vision, my regular eye dr told me to wear an eye patch over my right eye. Well, one day I got the bright idea to wear it on my other eye. Big mistake. I was walking and ran into chairs and even a wall so I very quickly took it off. Only me! I just have to laugh. : )

[blam]

These 8,000 year old mummies in Florida have European DNA.

Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida)

Go almost to the end of the video below to see the DNA results.

Bog People DNA

[stockpirate]

Research shows that a lot of the copper used in Europe 1,000 years before Columbus came from somewhere in the midwest.

[blam]

"Research shows that a lot of the copper used in Europe 1,000 years before Columbus came from somewhere in the midwest."

I have some suspicions along this line too but, I don't think there's any 'proof' what-so-ever.

The Phoenicians blocked the Straits Of Gibralter to keep other nations from getting the plentiful tin (used to make bronze) from England.(an over-land trade route through France to the Mediterranean was busy then...the route is still visible today)

The Phoenicians may have been secretly running copper from Michigan during this period. There does seem to be a lot of copper 'misssing' that isn't accounted for in American Indian sites.

BTW:
* Tin and copper = bronze
* Zinc and copper = brass

[blam]

On the other hand:

European Bronze Age Visitors In America

[dsc]

“I was standing still and I sure can not figure out how I fell sideways and ended up on my back across the end table. Any ideas?”

Something similar happened to me years ago, but I was able to catch myself on a fire hydrant. It seems to have been pressure on the spinal cord from spinal injury or degeneration.

[roamer_1]

well, duh.

[MamaB]

I was truly blessed because I did not break any bones. I am 71. I still hurt all over though. It was just another odd thing to happen to me!

[stockpirate]

I recently read where they have compared The Michigan copper to copper used in the Mediterranean area and it is the same copper.

[colorado tanker]

Is anyone here married to the idea Columbus had to be the first discoverer of the Americas?

Oh, boy, D.O., have we ever discussed that. If you're really, really interested you might want to consider joining SunkenCiv's GGG ping list. It's a fairly frequent topic.

And, no, none of us is married to the idea Columbus was the first.

[blam]

"I recently read where they have compared The Michigan copper to copper used in the Mediterranean area and it is the same copper."

It seems to me that some sort of isotope analysis ought to put the question to bed pronto.

If there was a conclusive comparison, you and I would know about it.

So, I have to assume that it does not compare.

I don't trust this Graham Hancock stuff:

Michigan Copper in the Mediterranean

"Recent scientific literature has come to the conclusion that the major source of the copper that swept through the European Bronze Age after 2500 BC is unknown. However, these studies claim that the 10 tons of copper oxhide ingots recovered from the late Bronze Age (1300 BC) Uluburun shipwreck off the coast of Turkey was “extraordinarily pure” (more than 99.5% pure), and that it was not the product of smelting from ore. The oxhides are all brittle “blister copper”, with voids, slag bits, and oxides, created when the oxhides were made in multiple pourings outdoors over wood fires. Only Michigan Copper is of this purity, and it is known to have been mined in enormous quantities during the Bronze Age. "

[stockpirate]

I think we have a winner, that looks to be the information I was referring to, please keep in mind that they have found stone ruins that are over 30,000 years old in various parts of the world.