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Enough Fighting: Time for Libertarians and Conservatives to Unite [retread zot]
Raging Against The Rhetoric ^ | 03-18-2015 | Jackie Wellfonder

Posted on 03/23/2015 7:54:24 AM PDT by Kaled

Conservatives often find themselves at odds with the libertarian crowd. However, is that anger really warranted?

As President Reagan once said, “If you analyze it, I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.”

True conservatives and libertarians, let’s not pretend there aren’t fakers on both side, all agree on the fundamentals: limited government, personal responsibility, and economic freedom. Neither group wants the government interfering in our daily lives and telling us what we can and cannot do. Now there may be slight disagreements on how that plays out in the policy arena, but we should not allow that to stop us from working together.

Our primary focus needs to be on reigning in spending, and returning power to the states where it belongs. The government has overreached time after time with blatant disregard for the boundaries set forth in the constitution. It’s time for conservatives and libertarians to put aside our differences, and work together.

As Morton Blackwell, President of the Leadership Institute, says, “You owe it to your philosophy to study how to win. You have a moral obligation to learn how to win.”

When are we going to realize that what we are doing isn’t working? We are going to keep losing elections until we get this right, and America will pay the price.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
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To: itsahoot

“Conservatism does not exist apart from social conservatism and any atempt to say it does is foolish.”

AMEN! You got that exactly right.


121 posted on 03/23/2015 4:49:51 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Texas Eagle
Latinos, should be a natural constituency for the party, Paul argued, but "Republicans have pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration."

The problem with statements like this from Rand Paul indicate he really has no clue about Latin culture and South American politics.

Latino's may be or lean "conservative" on social issues but when it comes to economic issues it's a whole different ball game.

Many Latino's who come to America from Mexico, Venezuela, etc.. come from an economic background where they are generally speaking --- poor --- and the Government is the source of all wealth (at least beyond the drug lords and drug trade.)

Latino's who come to America come with the same view that the Government is the source of all wealth -- because that's what they grew up under.

Again, on Social issues like abortion, they tend to lean Conservative. Latino's are for the most part very family oriented and frankly -- when's the last time you saw a latino beggar on the city streets? I work in Downtown Chicago and in the past 28 years I've not seen a single Latino beggar. Why? Because Latino's consider it a disgrace for a family member to beg.

Back to Rand Paul: His assertion that Latino voters have been "pushed away" by so called harsh rhetoric over immigration is bullsh*t. Latino's who came here LEGALLY are frankly upset at those who came here illegally. Latino's who came here LEGALLY and have been here for more than one generation are in favor of strong border protection. That's been proven in several polls.

The reason Latino voters vote Democrat Party mostly as a bloc is because of their own economic perceptions and experiences which place Government at the center and source of all wealth.

If they didn't get it from the Government in Mexico, Venezuela or whatever country they came from, they didn't get it. They hold that same belief here.

That's why "amnesty" by any other name and so-called "paths to citizenship" must be stopped. Those who don't contribute to this country one thin dime damn' near outnumber those of us paying 50% and higher in taxes on every dollar we make. Make these illegal immigrants legal and this country is lost. The moochers will outnumber the producers and this country will simply accelerate it's decline.

I can never support Rand Paul because of his basic misunderstanding of Latin Culture (which btw, was told to me by a Latino friend!)

124 posted on 03/23/2015 5:25:34 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Kaled; TheOldLady

Buh-bye, troll!

Thanks ToL for the heads-up!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3270971/posts?page=112#112


125 posted on 03/23/2015 5:35:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: Fightin Whitey

Hey, don’t ask, don’t tell. ;’)


126 posted on 03/23/2015 5:36:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: BlackAdderess

I’m sure the cat would do a better job, not least because cats are great at delegating, but never afraid to plunge in and do the job themselves. Dogs have owners, cats have staff.


127 posted on 03/23/2015 6:37:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: ansel12
Do you remember 1964 America?

I certainly do, I was aboard the USS Taluga AO 62 in the Gulf of Tonkin. Where were you?

128 posted on 03/24/2015 12:09:01 AM PDT by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. RIH-GOP)
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To: sargon

Dude, you just proved me right: “Unrestrained unlimited access to drug use”.


129 posted on 03/24/2015 5:26:43 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: SunkenCiv

You’re right, just watching negotiations over territory in my back yard is enough to convince me the cats are better fitted for that sort of thing. Never forget the time the cat jumped on the dog and rode him around hanging on by the claws (pretty sure the dog won’t either, wish I’d had a camera!)


130 posted on 03/24/2015 6:27:11 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: usconservative
Again, on Social issues like abortion, they tend to lean Conservative.

I don't know about abortion but I don't buy the line about being socially and culturally Conservative.

Here in Caliph-ornia, in the birth announcements in the paper 75%of the announcements only list the mother's name. Yes, they may attend church services in relatively large numbers, but it's mostly women and a goodly proportion of them are on the dole.

I would guesstimate that the men are incarcerated at roughly the same rate as blacks.

131 posted on 03/24/2015 7:20:09 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: itsahoot

Watching the 1964 election and politics in America, a time before the issues you keep thinking were on the table in 1964, like abortion and gay marriage and libertarianism.


132 posted on 03/24/2015 7:20:58 AM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: ansel12
I have voted for ever loser the Republicans have put up since Nixon, One of those slowed down the march to Utopia and he was reviled by the media and the GOPe and even he did little to address the Social Issues. Remember he promised to abolish the Department of Education, he also stated that a Country that can't control its borders is no Country at all.

Yet here we are on the brink of destruction of the Republic and you seem more worried about the Pot Head lobby than the people of Principle whose words mean something. In 64 the big issue was Vietnam but Social Conservative voters have always been aware of the underlying agenda of Progressives at least some of us were, sadly most were not aware that the GOPe had the same goals on Social Issues.

133 posted on 03/24/2015 9:02:14 AM PDT by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. RIH-GOP)
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To: itsahoot

You aren’t really all here are you? From 1964 gay marriage and abortion in the presidential election, to now jumping into something about “pot”, weird stuff.


134 posted on 03/24/2015 9:08:12 AM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: Old Sarge
“Unrestrained unlimited access to drug use”.

"Unrestrained and unlimited?"

Not really. Alcohol (the worst drug on the face of the earth) has some limitations and restraints. But it's still legal.

Everybody saw how black markets for alcohol made the situation worse. The same principle applies for all "contraband." In a free country, you don't threaten someone with prison merely for possessing the wrong plant, medicine, or liquid spirits. It's absurd on its face.

Prohibitionists seek the "comfort" of a (necessarily) unconstitutional police state as a solution. It's not, and it never will be.

The challenges of actual Freedom, warts and all, are infinitely preferable to shortsighted and Tyrannical Prohibitionist solutions.

Such "solutions", which rationalize Tyranny, are far worse than the problems they portend to address. History has demonstrated that.

There's no justification for the unconstitutional War on Drugs.

135 posted on 03/24/2015 10:18:06 AM PDT by sargon
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To: sargon

You already lost your argument, so please stop pinging me.


136 posted on 03/24/2015 10:21:12 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: Old Sarge
You already lost your argument, so please stop pinging me.

Thanks for informing me of that rather dubious fact.

137 posted on 03/24/2015 10:27:26 AM PDT by sargon
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To: ansel12
now jumping into something about “pot”, weird stuff.

Pot Head Lobby meaning Libertarians.

138 posted on 03/24/2015 2:50:42 PM PDT by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. RIH-GOP)
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To: ansel12
You aren’t really all here are you? From 1964 gay marriage

Christians have feared the Gay Mafia for longer than you apparently know, we just didn't think the churches would roll over and play dead, our mistake.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

139 posted on 03/24/2015 2:54:15 PM PDT by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. RIH-GOP)
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To: itsahoot

Wow, gay marriage and abortion as an issue in the 1964 presidential election, and the gay mafia before 1967, fascinating stuff.

You should rewrite a history book.


140 posted on 03/24/2015 2:59:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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