Posted on 01/04/2015 9:01:57 AM PST by shoedog
WOULD WE HAVE WON WWII WITH TODAY'S PC CULTURE? 1/4/2015 0 Comments
Watching the media and liberals go crazy over the "Torture Report" makes me wonder what would have happened if they lived and reported during World War II. First, since FDR was President, they may have been fine since it was one of their own making the rules.
Anyone who has researched WWII knows that part of the war meant civilians were going to be killed. In order to win a war you cannot handcuff your military on rules of engagement. In Europe we had strategic bombings in the countries of our allies to attack German positions, civilians died. In one of the most aggressive actions later in the war the Allies firebombed and destroyed the city of Dresden, again killing thousands. In Japan, to bring the war to a finish, we dropped two Atom Bombs on major cities killing tens of thousands of people. This directly led to the surrender of Japan. Would today's media and liberal celebrated, or would they have condemned us as a country and demanded Truman and others be brought up on charges for murder?
People will argue that times were different , and indeed they were. It will also be pointed out that these were Nations that declared war on the U.S. not terror organizations. These are valid points. However, in many of the places we are battling ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, the areas where we can attack have civilians that provide support and aid to the organizations. Certainly there are many in the area that do not. However, in WWII there were many civilians that undoubtedly disagreed with there leaders that lived in the cities that were bombed. The decision has to be made do we want to win and decapitate the enemy or not? If we are not committed to winning the battle, we simply put our men and women in the services in danger for no good reason. Limiting the rules of engagement put these brave soldiers in harms way. Part of defeating the enemy is to gain information from those that are captured. These parties did not sign onto the Geneva convention as they are not governments. They will use any and all forms of cruelty and death to murder Americans. While we use enhanced interrogation methods, these people also kept in accommodations that provide them more luxuries then many had where they lived.
There is an irony of the media and liberal gnashing of teeth over the "Torture Report" and calling for indictments on those involved. The liberals and media stay strangely silent on the use of drone strikes to target terrorists and even American's deemed as threats in foreign countries. The strikes have killed many innocent civilians. Somehow I find it incredible that "torture" that leaves no sustained injuries and was done to a small select group of individuals, is a crime. However killing these same sort of individuals, along with civilians is just fine? That is the paradox of today's liberal establishment and mainstream media.
Hopefully, in time, politics first for these people would be replaced by America first.
Bingo. As for NASA, the embedded bureaucracy leaves me wondering how we could launch anything more complicated than a paper airplane today.
I always wondered - Why didn’t the USA just let the Germans and Russians bleed themselves dry? Once Hitler turned East, there was no way he was going to invade England. The fact that FDR was a proto-socialist, and many in his administration had communist sympathies speaks volumes.
The West went to war over Poland, but 5+ years later, the same politicians gave Poland - AND the entirety of Eastern Europe, to the Soviets, a force as bad as the Nazis.
Impossible.
In a word, no. We would have been told we need to understand the Nazi rage and that it would be racist of us to oppose the Japanese. Plus, we had FDR pushing the envelope to the left even back then.
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Generational bashing post# 38,299,176 on FR...congrats.
Yes.
Because the Liberals loved WWII once their beloved Soviet Union was invaded.
In the all-consuming quest for ratings, we would have heard something like this a few days before the Invasion of Normandy: “CNN has learned exclusively that, despite bad weather, the invasion of Europe will take place on the 6th of June. Also, the site of the invasion will not be at the Port of Calais, as was generally thought, but will unfold on the beaches at Normandy. Stay tuned to CNN for continuing coverage of this important story.”
CNN would have been bitching daily about the fact the Allies haven’t opened up the Second Front to help out the Soviets.
The post WW II policy took a different direction.
Communism would be “contained” not defeated. The same with terorrists in more modern times.
Our Republican and Democrat presidents (EXCEPTION REAGAN)had no notion of defeating our enemies militarily again.
The United Nations was formed to police the world with United States signed on.
International law, rules of engagement are the order of the day.
Its not the liberals in the media fault.
Its the fault of our elite policy makers both major parties (the Uniparty) Acheson, Dulles, Rusk, McNamara, Kissinger, Brzezinski and so on.
The GOPe will install John Bolton to continue that tradition if they win the presidency. Tough talk soundbites on Fox News will continue, but there will be a halffast limited war foreign policy. Tough talk will not be matched by tough action.
I sure that if it occurred today, WWII would not be fought in the same way by the Allies. For example, I think turning German cities into firestorms would be avoided, not because we lack resolution to fight that way, but because we see that there are more effective ways of dealing with an enemy and, at the same time, we have the ability to be more precise.
Same ol’ same ol’.
PLEASE tell me that’s a parody image there and not the real deal....
Improperly fused anti aircraft shells kill dozens in downtown Honolulu. Navy called to account.
yes, it is parody
Our official position was essentially Isolationist until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Right after that, Germany declared war on the USA. We couldn't really ignore the fact that the Third Reich had done that.
Indeed. The Communists used FDR's terms in office to thoroughly infiltrate our government.
I had a recent experience during a school lockdown, where it was thought that 2 masked gunmen were wandering the halls. I was locked in a room with 3 other teachers and 4 upper class high school students. I explained to the students, via a note, that they could not, under any circumstances, talk because if there were indeed gunmen wandering the halls, they would be listening for conversations which would give away positions of potential victims. What do you think happened? They had to shushed up EVERY TWO MINUTES for TWO HOURS until the lockdown was called off. Even under emergency conditions such as we experienced, they could not summon the maturity or intelligence to shut the hell up when our lives could have depended on it.
Do they compare to the similarly aged men of my father's generation? Absolutely not. Thank you libs.
I get your point, it’s a powerful image, but don’t disparage all with such a broad brush, friend.
Pajama Boy doesn’t represent ALL Americans, not by a long shot. He’s a temporary aberration.
You have only to look at our guys overseas right now, those in the combat arms branches on the front lines in Afghanistan and Iraq and any other place we are engaged. Our guys in Korea, waiting for NoRK Tanks to cross the DMZ are certainly not represented by Pajama Boy.
There’s still a hell of a lot of Americans ready and willing and able to fight.
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