Posted on 11/24/2014 7:16:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Next time you invite Rudy Giuliani on the Sunday morning shows, make sure you give him the heavily caffeinated coffee, because once he gets wound up he really heads off to the races. Appearing on Meet the Press, the former Mayor was paired up with Georgetown professor Michael Eric Dyson to talk about race relations in Ferguson, and things got a little dicey.
Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani faced immediate Web backlash Sunday morning after he asked why people protest the killing of unarmed Ferguson, Mo., teenager Michael Brown but not black-on-black crime.
“Ninety-three percent of blacks are killed by other blacks,” Giuliani said, triggering a heated argument on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I would like to see the attention paid to that that you are paying to this.”
“Black people who kill black people go to jail,” Dyson said. “White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail.”
“What about the poor black child that was killed by another black child?” Giuliani asked. “Why aren’t you protesting that?… Why don’t you cut it down so that so many white police officers don’t have to be in black areas?”
“When I become mayor, I’ll do that,” replied Dyson, exasperated.
“White police officers wouldn’t be there,” Giuliani said, “if you weren’t killing each other.”
As you can imagine, those last couple of lines essentially set of a tactical nuke of racism discussions on social media. In the ensuing muddle of words and cross patched accusations, some of the more useful and interesting facts underlying this long overdue discussion were, of course, lost. The first is the patently ridiculous assertion from Professor Dyson that “black people who kill black people go to jail.” How Chuck Todd let that one sail over the plate unchallenged is a mystery, since in all of the worst, gang afflicted urban areas of the country, that statement is simply untrue. In Chicago last year, out of more than 500 largely gang related murders, police managed to obtain a conviction in only 132 of them. The story isn’t much different in Giuliani’s old stomping grounds in the Big Apple and Los Angeles is much the same.
Granted, Dyson may have been implying that of those where a defendant is identified, the black offender goes to jail. This implies that there is a “system” in place shielding the white offender. But as the Los Angeles article linked above in particular notes, there is a separate “system” which frequently makes it nearly impossible for minority gang members to be brought to justice as well.
For his part, the way Giuliani chose to tackle this prickly, but obvious problem could have been handled much better. His numbers regarding the amount of crime which happens in various neighborhoods are pretty well established, but he shuts the conversation down by saying that three quarters of the crimes in New York City take place “in black neighborhoods.” It’s equally true that crime is the highest in neighborhoods with the highest level of poverty. Yes, those neighborhoods do tend to be heavily populated by minorities in the large cities, but the tie between poverty and crimes of all types is beyond question. Also, as I’ve learned through some of my recent travels through the south, there are similarly impoverished rural areas which are predominantly white where crime also runs rampant, with the meth trade, assault, domestic violence and theft filling the local police blotters.
Giuliani was making an important point which is rarely if ever discussed in America because the racial aspect of it immediately throws the conversation into acrimony and turmoil. But he brought it up in a way that was destined to fail before the words finished coming out of his mouth.
Here is a question I wanted someone to ask. “Do Black policemen who shoot whites get sent to prison, do white policemen who shoot whites get sent to prison?” If you don’t know the answer to those two questions or if the answer to those two questions is no, then the premise of your argument is baseless.
I always remember this hilarious routine.
Richard would be considered an Uncle Tom today.
I thnk she had her gun taken away already. Plus, when I followed the links to the original story, I found this:
***The suspect in the attempted carjacking is described as a black male, 20-25 years old, 120-130 lbs., 5’2-5’3, with a thin build, medium brown complexion, brown eyes, and black hair. He was clean shaven and wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt. He was driving a grey, older model 4-door sedan with tinted windows.***
So, I believe her in this instance. She’s a black woman who alleged that she had a run in with another black person.
Perhaps you were being sarcastic, and didn’t have the tag?
More truth that is hated by the whiners.
“You can’t handle the truth!”
If white while telling truth you are a racist! It’s really that simple. Also the statement that high crime areas are also high poverty areas, is spurious. I suspect that it’s crime that causes poverty, not visa-versa.
A typical lib ploy when confronted with uncomfortable facts is to either ignore the question, evade the question with irrelevant comments, or go on a rant. The latter especially when having an audience that is primarily comprised of sympathizers who will applaud and cheer any crazy utterance by a liberal.
Not only did the homicide rate drop dramatically under Giuliani but the numbers of blacks shot and killed by police officers dropped dramatically as well. About a 75% drop.
Either that, or it never happened. She made it up to advance her agenda.
Do you know why you have a job Joe?
It's because you work for a liberal propaganda outlet, and call yourself a "republican" but in all reality, you are just another lying liberal piece of crap
They don’t commit crime because they’re poor....they’re poor because they’re more interested in committing crime and goofing off than working for a living.
The Democrats have been pushing for a single federalized first responder union that would unionize police all over the country into one Union. What this would do, besides spread the costs of inner city law enforcement contracts to small towns and unincorporated area, the union would control the hiring. In many cases the small towns would be forced to contract with the city police to provide services and would lose all control of hiring. Members of the police would no longer have a vested interest in the community where they work and could be sent to fill positions anywhere. Their plan is to also make all promotions by seniority only.
The federal first responder Union would be just like Chicago in the thirties, where you didn’t get a job without going through the mob boss.
My Italian speaking grandmother raised my mother on welfare in a poor neighborhood because grandpop was a gangster and didn’t help with the bills. My mother said you could go out in the middle of the night if you wanted to and it would be safe. Poor doesn’t have to mean you live like animals.
Rudy is the best mayor we ever had and I would have voted for him even though while having a mistress, he closed down all the strip clubs. hypocrite.
We Italians out here don’t take kindly to the black folk that ruined all of our parents neighborhoods. Wont happen again. Black dude in my neighborhood deli touched my girlfriend’s butt about 15 years ago. Probably still feeling the punches I hit him with. Indian owner told me to go home quickly and everyone in the deli knew not to say a word about how he got hurt. I’m sure he spread the word about what happens if you go into one of those EYEtalian neighborhoods. piece of garbage.
Despite having a very good record in terms of fighting crime, protecting our country from foreign and domestic terrorists, and being a great patriot, conservatives will still sting up the man for his social views. Guiliani over Romney is a no-brainer, but hordes on FR would still bitch about it.
sting => string
So unafraid to speak the truth. God Bless Rudy!! <3
No, people who uses lethal force in self defense to stop a immediate lethal threat to their person or others don't go to jail.
> For his part, the way Giuliani chose to tackle this prickly, but obvious problem could have been handled much better. His numbers regarding the amount of crime which happens in various neighborhoods are pretty well established, but he shuts the conversation down by saying that three quarters of the crimes in New York City take place “in black neighborhoods.” It’s equally true that crime is the highest in neighborhoods with the highest level of poverty. Yes, those neighborhoods do tend to be heavily populated by minorities in the large cities, but the tie between poverty and crimes of all types is beyond question.
IOW, Dyson started ranting about race, but suddenly RG should be talking about poverty? The Washington Compost Partisan Media Shill who swilled out those taking points sucks.
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