Posted on 11/24/2014 7:16:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Next time you invite Rudy Giuliani on the Sunday morning shows, make sure you give him the heavily caffeinated coffee, because once he gets wound up he really heads off to the races. Appearing on Meet the Press, the former Mayor was paired up with Georgetown professor Michael Eric Dyson to talk about race relations in Ferguson, and things got a little dicey.
Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani faced immediate Web backlash Sunday morning after he asked why people protest the killing of unarmed Ferguson, Mo., teenager Michael Brown but not black-on-black crime.
“Ninety-three percent of blacks are killed by other blacks,” Giuliani said, triggering a heated argument on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I would like to see the attention paid to that that you are paying to this.”
“Black people who kill black people go to jail,” Dyson said. “White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail.”
“What about the poor black child that was killed by another black child?” Giuliani asked. “Why aren’t you protesting that?… Why don’t you cut it down so that so many white police officers don’t have to be in black areas?”
“When I become mayor, I’ll do that,” replied Dyson, exasperated.
“White police officers wouldn’t be there,” Giuliani said, “if you weren’t killing each other.”
As you can imagine, those last couple of lines essentially set of a tactical nuke of racism discussions on social media. In the ensuing muddle of words and cross patched accusations, some of the more useful and interesting facts underlying this long overdue discussion were, of course, lost. The first is the patently ridiculous assertion from Professor Dyson that “black people who kill black people go to jail.” How Chuck Todd let that one sail over the plate unchallenged is a mystery, since in all of the worst, gang afflicted urban areas of the country, that statement is simply untrue. In Chicago last year, out of more than 500 largely gang related murders, police managed to obtain a conviction in only 132 of them. The story isn’t much different in Giuliani’s old stomping grounds in the Big Apple and Los Angeles is much the same.
Granted, Dyson may have been implying that of those where a defendant is identified, the black offender goes to jail. This implies that there is a “system” in place shielding the white offender. But as the Los Angeles article linked above in particular notes, there is a separate “system” which frequently makes it nearly impossible for minority gang members to be brought to justice as well.
For his part, the way Giuliani chose to tackle this prickly, but obvious problem could have been handled much better. His numbers regarding the amount of crime which happens in various neighborhoods are pretty well established, but he shuts the conversation down by saying that three quarters of the crimes in New York City take place “in black neighborhoods.” It’s equally true that crime is the highest in neighborhoods with the highest level of poverty. Yes, those neighborhoods do tend to be heavily populated by minorities in the large cities, but the tie between poverty and crimes of all types is beyond question. Also, as I’ve learned through some of my recent travels through the south, there are similarly impoverished rural areas which are predominantly white where crime also runs rampant, with the meth trade, assault, domestic violence and theft filling the local police blotters.
Giuliani was making an important point which is rarely if ever discussed in America because the racial aspect of it immediately throws the conversation into acrimony and turmoil. But he brought it up in a way that was destined to fail before the words finished coming out of his mouth.
I still think, despite his social liberalism (after all he never could have been elected mayor in NYC if he wasn’t), Rudy would have been a much better President than McCain or Romney would have been.
Agreed. Rudy is a leader, and a fearless one at that. I would have loved to see him succeed in 2008. We would have made mince-meat of this pretender in the office now, and would not have run scared like the GOP has.
I’ll take him as governor over Andrew Cuomo anytime.
“blow up the internet”?
Seems to still be working?
Am I logged on?
Dyson is pretty much right. His concern is the perception that white people (police) get away with killing black people. Which is true.
What he fails to do is address why they get shot in the first place because it doesn’t fit the narrative.
Did you see the Ramirez Boston Tea Party ‘toon over the weekend?
“We better not dump this tea or someone might blame us.”
Our local show host just played this.
Why isn’t anyone outraged by what DYSON says?
That is what I want to know!
White people obey the police more than black people do.
Yes he is fearless. I really miss the days when people just spoke the truth instead of having to filter everything thru a sieve to remove any potential offense. It leaves nothingness. emptiness.
Only conservatives can be ‘controversial.’
The annual NYC murder rate under Dinkins got as high as 2000, but under Rudy the rate dropped to under 400. Rudy has arguably saved thousands of black lives, but you will never hear that mentioned by the race-baiters.
Because there is a reason for that, it is called TELLING THE TRUTH.
The US needs more people like Rudy who refuse to tip toe around the subject. To hell with niceties and PC pandering. Tell it like it is. Facts are facts.
The first step in solving a problem is admitting there is one.
Rudy will always have one advantage over Andy. Rudy has a brain. Sorry, NooYawkuz, Andy is simply monumentally stupid. Not ignorant. Stupid. Slow-witted. Daddy Mario knew this. That's why he has always secured the kid employment where it wouldn't matter too much and he could keep an eye on him.
Dyson went basically unchallenged because as typical of blacks, he kept talking like a machine gun never allowing anyone to talk and it became a blur.
Newsmax
State Senator Protesting Ferguson a Victim of Attempted Carjacking
Saturday, November 22, 2014
By: Todd Beamon
A Missouri state senator and gun-control advocate who has protested police actions in Ferguson surrounding the Michael Brown shooting death said that an armed man tried to carjack her early Saturday in St. Louis.
Jamilah Nasheed, 42, said on Twitter that a gun was pointed at her while getting out of her car in front of her house. The man had demanded her keys to the vehicle, Fox-TV2 reports.
But the man got back into his car and drove away when Nasheed refused to turn over her keys, St. Louis Police told Fox. The incident occurred shortly after midnight.
Nasheed, a Democrat, was elected to the Senate last year after serving in the Missouri House of Representatives since 2007. Throughout her career, she has supported many gun-control measures and voted against a bill that would have allowed state employees to keep firearms in their vehicles, the Daily Caller reports.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ferguson-carjacking-police-protest/2014/11/22/id/609051/
Because it is coming from a person, former NYC Mayor Rudy G. KNEW how to LEAD and took NO NONSENSE.
That’s usually true. Here in the Appalachian hills, we really don’t have a black population but we still see some of the same problems. Lack of density keeps the rates down.
But the police here still deal with a large amount of “drugs and guns” problems. It’s either meth or oxy. People here do a lot of both.
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