They discontinued my usual Dual Coil Tank type.
Experimentation time!
Posted on 03/24/2014 12:12:58 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It can be bought on the Internet in flavors like chocolate and bubble gum—and just a teaspoon could kill a child: The New York Times takes a look at liquid nicotine, the e-liquid used in e-cigarettes, which it describes as a "powerful neurotoxin ... far more dangerous than tobacco." And with good reason: Reports of accidental liquid nicotine poisonings rose 300% from 2012 to 1,351 cases last year, with 2014's figure expected to be double that.
The victims, many children under the age of four, can experience vomiting and seizures after being exposed to even a modest amount orally or through the skin.
The Minneapolis Star Tribune notes that the bottles often convey their flavors with potentially enticing photos of fruits or chocolate, which could attract youngsters; teens, on the flip side, may be combining it with energy drinks to get high, per Fox News Insider.
"It's not a matter of if a child will be seriously poisoned or killed. It's a matter of when," says a director with California's Poison Control System.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
That's all? Are you serious? E-cigs are not, I repeat, NOT smoking. What part of that do you not understand?
Why do you insist and spouting nonsense about a subject of which you are obviously so ignorant?
You hate tobacco and folks who choose to enjoy it - we all get that - but why do you spout the nonsense you do?
If we outlaw everything they used the word addictive on, it be a pretty hard life. Obama even said we were addicted to oil at one point.
What part of there is a vapor emitted by e-cigs that other people don't want to breathe do you not understand?
The FDA has said that second hand e-cig vapors are a health hazard. What part of that do you not understand?
Prove to the satisfaction of the FDA that the vapor emitted is not harmful and we'll consider possibly reducing the restrictions.
What part of there is a vapor emitted by e-cigs that other people don't want to breathe do you not understand?
The FDA has said that second hand e-cig vapors are a health hazard. What part of that do you not understand?
Prove to the satisfaction of the FDA that the vapor emitted is not harmful and we'll consider possibly reducing the restrictions.
Bingo!
And even worse were the bar owners who swore their clientele would prefer them to be non-smoking, but were too afraid of losing clientele to do it and so wanted the government to make everyone do it. The bar owners who were not afraid and had done it on their own hated those people.
I did research on this before, so I’m trying to go back again and find the information. I just came across this now - which gives you a little idea ...
http://www.vaporstationcolumbus.com/uploads/eLiquid.pdf
— A lethal dose of nicotine for a child is about 10mg and for an adult its 40-60mg.
— 10 drops of 24mg/ml strength e-liquid can kill a child.
— 20 drops (1ml) of 54mg/ml strength e-liquid can kill an adult.
You can buy it in different strengths. That’s what the numbers like — 24 mg/ml — means. You can buy it in different concentrations - so other concentrations can simply be lethal from fumes.
I am of the same position. After we failed to kill the ban in Delaware I congratulated one of the opponents and invited him to join me for a drink when it went into effect, he thanked me for the invite and declined because he didn't go to bars.................
To give you a further indication of the extreme danger here ... this is from something instructing people how to mix these things ...
READ THIS BEFORE ATTEMPTING ANY E-LIQUID PROCEDURES
Hello Unregistered,
Any information contained within this forum is acted on at the user’s own risk. ECF cannot be held responsible for individuals causing injury to themselves or others by following the information contained in this forum.
Anyone considering DIY must CAREFULLY DECIDE if they really have the resources to carry out any DIY procedures safely.
The handling of high-strength base liquids should only be attempted by those who understand the hazards, are competent to handle chemicals, and have the necessary protective equipment.
Pure nicotine should never be used for DIY. It must be handled in a lab by those qualified to work with hazardous materials, because it requires a fume cupboard and hazmat precautions. Do not buy or use pure nicotine - if you acquire some by mistake, take it to a pharmacy for disposal.
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What is DIY e-liquid?
Some members have chosen to purchase ingredients commonly found in e-cigarette refills (e-liquid), and adapt existing refills or make their own varieties. If you do not have experience in handling chemicals you should not try e-liquid DIY. Buy your e-liquid supplies instead from one of the many manufacturers that already exist.
Carefully note the following cautions:
Never buy pure nicotine - 100mg strength is the most needed for DIY.
Never allow nicotine to touch your skin or allow fumes to build up in the atmosphere.
Always wear suitable protective clothing and keep your workspace well ventilated.
Caution must always be exercised in the handling of nicotine. Some people are far more sensitive to it than others: there is a factor-10 difference in individual tolerance to nicotine, and contact with even a small amount may make some susceptible individuals temporarily ill (those who vape 6mg and cannot tolerate 12mg are more vulnerable than others).
Children and pets are especially vulnerable and you ABSOLUTELY MUST keep refill materials and finished refills away from them.
E-liquid and all substances used in its production must be stored securely away from children and pets and in child-proof bottles.
Appropriate care must be taken to safeguard against fire hazards. Some ingredients in e-liquid are flammable.
Carefully avoid any splashes and spills. Have paper towel and rinsing facilities available for immediately dealing with any splashes. Consider how you will deal with a spill BEFORE it happens.
A nicotine strength test kit is ABSOLUTELY VITAL (and is cheap to buy on Ebay).
Eyeshields, rubber gloves and a plastic apron are recommended.
Some flavourings are known to be inappropriate for inhalation, and at least one is known to be hazardous (diacetyl).
Following these guidelines cannot guarantee your safety.
Caution: flavourings
Food-grade flavouring compounds are, by definition, not tested for inhalation. There are likely to be health implications resulting from inhalation of some flavours, and right now we do not have a complete list of the problematic ones. At least one is known to be extremely hazardous to the lungs (diacetyl) and there is no reason to suspect it is an isolated case.
Because too little is known about this aspect of vaping, ECF cannot advise you in detail on this issue; but we do know that as well as butter-popcorn the creamy, buttery, custard-type flavours will probably entail risk even if diacetyl itself is absent (because this group of flavours has a question mark regarding safety).
This flavour group includes diacetyl, acetoin, and acetyl propionyl: the dairy, creamy flavours. Realistically, we do not know if there are any safe flavours for inhalation in this group.
Please see this thread, which highlights some of the issues - but do not treat it as being a complete guide to flavours with possible risk:
THERE ARE NO FLAVOURS KNOWN TO BE SAFE FOR INHALATION* and nothing in this section or anywhere else on ECF can be taken as approval of or recommendation of inhalation of any flavour.
* Menthol is licensed for inhalation and can be expected to be acceptably safe as a result (but not absolutely safe as there is no such thing).
ECF cannot be held responsible for any consequences of following information found on the boards. We try to remove anything that looks risky for the inexperienced but we cannot find and remove everything that may be problematic. Some advice may be inappropriate for your level of experience or resources and YOU MUST EXERCISE CAUTION. Some information or procedures may have implications for health due to the limited state of knowledge about vaping risks at this time. There is no risk-free vaping.
I have neither children or grandchildren to get into stuff in my house. So, I keep fruit-flavored strychnine colored a nice, attractive red mixed up in an old soft drink bottle under my sink.
Who said anything about inspections, anyway? I just think that this stuff needs to come with appropriate warnings and labels (if it doesn’t already), so that the buyers will be aware (if they aren’t already) of its potential dangers.
At least you can legally buy nicotine-containing liquids for e-cigarettes in the US. The Canadian government, in its wisdom (while, Health Canada, anyway) has banned the sale of the stuff in Canada. Not to say that it’s not widely available from small distributors (mall kiosk guys and such), as there doesn’t seem to be much enforcement of this rule.
The difference between those drops and fumes is ingestion. If you DIRECTLY ingest those drops yeah that’ll kill you. You if put those drops on a hot pan and inhale the fumes it won’t kill you because you’ll get a small fraction of the nicotine. In order for the fumes to kill what you’ll needs is:
1 - a lot of juice
2 - a small entirely unventilated room
3 - tall people that will get to the fumes up high in their highest concentration
Really it’s the urban legend of the guy that suffocated on his own farts. Theoretically possible, but in practice unlikely to the point of not going to happen.
Meanwhile we make rubbing alcohol smell (and taste) good and it actually DOES hurt kids:
http://safety.lovetoknow.com/Hand_Sanitizer_Dangers
But it’s not the evil nicotine so nobody cares.
” Information released from the National Cancer Institute states that smokeless tobacco products contain 28 different carcinogens, are linked to an increased risk of oral cancers and may be associated with other forms of cancer.”
Everything is a carcinogen. It’s dose dependent.
There is no study that links any type of oral tobacco use with any kind of cancer.
And no, I don’t use any tobacco products, nor have I ever.
U heard decades ago of people soaking cigarette butts in water overnight to leach the nicotine into water, then poisoning people with it.
You got that right! I used to get my mom’s Salems at that age. OTOH, I also remember making sure my 19yo niece had her ID on her when I asked her to pick up a pack for me 30 years later...........
What I’m saying is that the danger ranges from a few drops killing on contact - to - just the fumes given off killing you — all of which is dependent on the concentration. And when people get into their own mixing - then you’re talking about the “killing concentrations”.
I decided I wanted nothing to do with it - as I said in my previous post.
Big whoop.............has nothing to do with the conversation at hand and the bogus crapola you are spouting.
But a typical diversion of nanny state lovers and liberals.
Package it in rubbery black sticks under the brandname “Liquotine” ...
Please tell me that is sarcasm.
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