Posted on 02/06/2014 8:33:34 AM PST by PapaNew
Creationist Ken Ham is having his 15 minutes, following a live debate on evolution held between himself and Bill Nye “The Science Guy” on Tuesday.
And while you’d expect most folks to deem Nye the winner (which they have), Ham is receiving criticism from a source you might not expect: televangelist Pat Robertson.
On the Wednesday edition of his TV show, “The 700 Club,” Robertson indirectly implored Ham to put a sock in it, criticizing Ham’s view that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
“Let’s face it, there was a bishop [James Ussher] … who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years,” Robertson began. “There ain’t no way that’s possible … To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think it’s time we come off of that stuff and say this isn’t possible.”
“We’ve got to be realistic that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesn’t comport with anything that’s found in science,” Robertson continued, “and you can’t just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.”
“Let’s be real,” Robertson begged, “let’s not make a joke of ourselves.”
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Years ago a priest added up all the time spans given in the Bible and put together a timeline of 6000 years. He guessed at most of it.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence of a 6000 old Earth. None. It was made up by a priest.
You are right......so when they say a “sedimentary rock” is 200 billion years old, does that account for the time it was here as MUD FIRST??
Yup, or close enough.
OMG!!
"Thou Shalt Not Take the Name of the LORD thy God in Vain".... But you get a pass for "OMG" (maybe it stands for 'Oh My Gravy' ... or something like that).
How dumb and UNTHINKING can you get??
You are calling a lot of not so dumb people dumb: Isaac Newton, Johan Kepler, Louis Pasteur, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, JC Maxwell, etc
Is it because the Jewish religion is about 6000 yrs. old???
No, it is based on a fair reading of the Bible and believing and understanding that it IS the Word of God. This includes Genesis, as well as the record of God's Word to Moses and the people of Israel when He spoke to them from the Holy Mount (Exodus 20: '...In six days the Lord made Heaven and Earth...'), as well as references from the Lord Jesus who vouched for the authenticity of the Law and the Prophets, who said at the beginning of Creation God made man and woman, who spoke of Noah and the Flood as reality.
There actually is much evidence for a <4.6B year old Earth.
Sorry but the 6,000 year earth thing is just hogwash, it has no basis in anything. The debate between Nye and Ham was not a debate over ID or Darwin, it was at best a debate over young earth theory, which is a non starter.
A debate on ID/Evolution would have been interesting, instead we got a diatribe about a 6000 year old earth that doesn’t relate even to the written history of man. Let alone the actual history of the earth.
It was honestly a waste of about 3 hours of everyone’s time.
Agree.
If God created a tree, and it was cut down immediately, how many rings would it have?
We count them for age, but it would be ‘new’.
Or did he create baby trees to grow up?
My similar question is “how old was Adam when he was created?”
Carbon-dating only works with once-living mater.
Moreover, the half-life of C-14 is about 5,730 years; this limits the number of detectable half-life decays setting a dating limit of around 58,000 to 62,000 years.
Could He? well, God is all powerful… He could turn rocks into bread, so doing something like you're saying would qualify as a supernatural miracle of the same order.
Yeah, and Ham and all these others that have researched everything else so carefully just accepted his “guess” and didn’t do their own examination because they are so lazy.
“Bill Nye to debate creation activist online Tuesday ... before the event, for which the museum is paying Nye expenses plus a fee. The museum would not disclose the fee, but Nye’s normal speaking fee is $50,000 to $75,000, ...”
That is certainly damning evidence against Bill Nye as it is apparent that he took money for his attempt to influence our children to go against God and to buy into this evolution nonsense.
In the end, it has to be said that Bill Nye has been corrupted by money, not unlike the other so called scientists who are paid money to claim that there is Global Warming.
First you come up with a fanciful "re-creation". Then you say that the initial statement indicates that the universe was instantly "complete and perfect".
Why, then, was something "complete and perfect" "re-created"?
No doubt, you can quote Scripture references (or at least your mind-warped misinterpretations of them) that support your conflicting claims. right?
I think that the better scripture would be:
1 Corinthians 1:18-31
My personal favorite on this topic is:
2 Timothy 4:3-5
3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.
LOL
Who won the debate?
OK, I'm joking, because it does not matter one bit because, God wins in the end.
The Bible is not a science book, nor is it even a history book.
It is a book of Gods own plan to reconcile Man to Himself, by His own choice and by His own way despite our sinful condition and by His own merciful way. JESUS CHRIST.
Its about our relationship to Him, despite our evil, God, even in his pure unquestionable Holiness, desires that we be reconciled to Him at completion.
The beginning is explained to “mankind” in its childhood, the end only understood in the in the very presence of God.
The issue is not creation, it is completion.
The real issue is, what will Man do in regards to his son?
There is no time line in the Bible, God doesn't do what is pointless.
If God created a tree, and it was cut down immediately, how many rings would it have?
Did Adam & Eve have navels? I suspect not since they were probably created not as children but as fully developed humans.
“There actually is much evidence for a <4.6B year old Earth.”
There is a far chasm between 4.6 Billion and 6,000. The 6000 year old claim is flat earth... it doesn’t hold up the most basic evidence and isn’t based on any. Human Writing is more than 6,000 years old, let alone the entire planet.
The 6000 year claim is about as meaningful as that map another person made showing a body over the city where Jesus was believed buried and declaring he was buried where the heart of the body would be.
Its not based on any evidence, there is huge difference between creationism/ID and the young earth arguments, and its beyond sad that the person wishing to present the ID argument tied his millstone to a man made fallacy like young earth... because that meant the real claim for the debate that being ID was never really touched on because debunking young earth is such a low hanging fruit to prove that the true discussion about ID never really happened.
And Ham has made his scam of hyping the Ussher mind-barf his entire livelihood...
Yes. Next.
“There is absolutely ZERO evidence of a 6000 old Earth. None. It was made up by a priest.”
I will ask you the very same question that Mr. Ham asked Mr. Nye in that debate where Mr. Nye got slaughtered.
“Where you there 6000 years ago?”
“If you were not there, how do you know?”
I count the biblical text of Genesis as evidence for a relatively young earth - older than 6,000 years, but not by leaps and bounds. The “millions and billions of years” scenario is a recent, arbitrary attempt to muddy the waters. It finds a welcome hearing amidst those who, unlike this country’s founding fathers, reject accountability to a higher authority. Quantum mechanics is already pointing to a reality that far exceeds the vapid assumption that natural processes evolved and had their effect over a period of billions of years.
I also count the presence of order and function as evidences for intelligent design, for it is the essence of intelligence to create and arrange order. The presence of an ordered universe is ubiquitous enough to be in accord with what is written in the biblical texts. I have yet to encounter any firm evidence contrary to all that is written therein.
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