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Obamacare consumers: Time to pay up
politico ^ | 1/11/2014 | By BRETT NORMAN

Posted on 01/11/2014 5:30:51 AM PST by tobyhill

Many insurers should know by Friday how many of the 2 million-plus Obamacare sign-ups have actually converted into premium-paying customers. Yet an array of payment deadline extensions by other plans means that what critics have been demanding — a full count of Americans insured under Obamacare — won’t be available until next month.

Companies are scrambling to ensure that individuals who committed to plans online in fact put their money where their mice are. They’re staffing call centers and even making robocalls to get procrastinators to finalize their first premium payment.

But the effort has been complicated by several dysfunctional state exchanges and, of course, by the massive early troubles of HealthCare.gov. Well into November, the federal portal was failing to send many people’s enrollment files to insurers or, in even more cases, sending files with errors, making it difficult or impossible for insurers to follow up.

Health plans and experts said Thursday that a significant number of those who signed up — perhaps as many as half — still had not paid. But they emphasized that customers’ lag was not surprising given the surge of people who enrolled just before the Dec. 24 deadline and the time it takes to receive their files from the exchanges, send out bills and get payments in return. Last month’s big push was for coverage beginning Jan. 1.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; obamacare; obamacareenrollment; obamacarepremiums; zerocare
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1 posted on 01/11/2014 5:30:51 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Invoice?
Insurance premium?
I gotta pay?
I don’t understand.
I thought Obama was paying for it out of his “stash”.

You wait...gonna happen on a relatively large scale.


2 posted on 01/11/2014 5:35:57 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym defines the science.)
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OOPS, OBAMATONS NEVER FIGURED ON ACTUAL "DISCLOSURES"....in a required SEC filing, Humana disclosed to investors, "as a result of Dec 2013 federal and state regulatory changes allowing certain individuals to remain in their previously existing off-exchange health plans, the Company now expects the risk mix to be more adverse than previously expected."

That change Humana is referring to is Obama's unilateral "administrative fix" aimed at allowing individuals to remain enrolled in plans that had been cancelled--imposed by Obama's signature healthcare law mandates. Obama announced the "fix" after a storm of criticism over his broken promise that anybody who liked their plan could keep it.

UT, OH---TROUBLE AHEAD With 2016 in mind, Bill Clinton, himself, called on Obama to "honor the commitment he made" that people should be able to keep their health care plans. But lately the Clinton camp has been distancing itself from Obamacare as the problems associated with it become more apparent to the not-amused American electorate.

Tevi Troy, Hudson Institute scholar's remarkable prophecy a year and a half before the USSC's decision, after Nov 2010 midterms, in which Democrats in Congress and in state legislatures suffered huge losses.....due to O/Care. In Commentary magazine, Troy wrote: "The Pyrrhic victory Democrats secured for themselves [when Obama signed ACA into law] may prove not to have been a victory at all but rather an ever-roiling, ongoing, and recurring act of political and ideological self-destruction."

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LOCK-STEPPING PARTY LOYALTY NOT SEEN SINCE 1940's ERA EUROPE Obama And The Dumbos marching in lockstep. The persistent Dumbocrat drumbeat ---- in obeisance to Obama ---- kept ringing reassuringly in our ears: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."

3 posted on 01/11/2014 5:37:17 AM PST by Liz
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To: tobyhill

ObamaCARE is about fees, fines, redistribution, and taxes.

No so much about HEALTHCARE.

Death from ObamaCARE is coming soon to every block
in the USA. The screams will be deafening by 2015.


4 posted on 01/11/2014 5:39:12 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: tobyhill
Even if people can pay initially, there will be tons of defaults thereafter. Most people don't have the ability to add $500 plus a month to the family budget. And they certainly don't have an extra $5,000 - $15,000 for a deductible.

They've so screwed up the system, there is no way it will function for long. But I presume that was planned.

5 posted on 01/11/2014 5:48:36 AM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: tobyhill

6 posted on 01/11/2014 5:49:31 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: tobyhill

In “Guvspeak”, “as many as half havent paid” translates as 90% haven’t paid and about half of those are lost in the system. The other half will be double or tripled charged...But denied coverage when they ask.


7 posted on 01/11/2014 5:50:29 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

That’s like the homeowners who show up at the tax office asking why they are receiving property tax bills. “You owe property tax”.
Uh uh, Obama is president and I don’t have to pay no taxes!
True story that has occurred multiple times at a county tax office in TX.
It makes one think that these people were told if they voted for Obumer, their bills would be paid!!

You can’t fix stupid.


8 posted on 01/11/2014 5:51:10 AM PST by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: tobyhill
I have a nagging question in the back of my mind.

What would we think of an insurance company that has proved itself to be as inept as Obamacare has been?

9 posted on 01/11/2014 5:52:25 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: tobyhill
Obamacare consumers US Taxpayers: Time to pay up

Fixed it!

10 posted on 01/11/2014 6:01:21 AM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: Slyfox

The perception of inadequacy is being distorted by government meddling. The goal of the government left wing wackos is to implement their Utopian agenda. To feel good trumps to function.

Insurance works because long tried and true calculations are made of risk. When the calculations are thrown away and policies are sold based on mandates, risk is not a factor in the cost calculation. The premium is no longer insurance it is merely a collection to offset unknown total cost.

The result is that the insurance companies did not make poor risk assessments, they were forced to abandon that which is known to function. They are being forced to be implementers of a system that will succeed only if there is a miracle.

By tinkering and adjusting and screwing around, Obama is attempting to produce the miracle.


11 posted on 01/11/2014 6:12:39 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Exactly right. They ain’t gonna pay. They want/expect someone else to pay for them.


12 posted on 01/11/2014 6:15:50 AM PST by Starboard
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To: bert
By tinkering and adjusting and screwing around, Obama is attempting to produce the miracle.

Obama and his cohorts are all HOPE-ing that at some point their vaunted Utopia will just all of a sudden kick into gear and every "problem" they have knowingly introduced will disappear.

And I am not kidding.

13 posted on 01/11/2014 6:22:08 AM PST by Slyfox (We want our pre-existing HEALTH INSURANCE back!)
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To: bert

The goal of the government left wing wackos is to implement their Utopian agenda.

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ZeroHedge had a post this morning about an editorial in Rolling Stone magazine that was promoting the left’s utopian economic vision. Here’s the link:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-10/rolling-stone-resurrects-karl-marx-and-no-it-was-not-satire


14 posted on 01/11/2014 6:25:28 AM PST by Starboard
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To: tobyhill
Let's assume for the sake of argument that there have been 2 million people who signed up and paid for ObamaCare.

In California, there's somewhere around 5 million people who lost their insurance when Obamacare took effect.

In Florida, somewhere around another 1.8 million lost their insurance.

Here in Illinois, over 800,000 have lost their insurance due to Obamacare.

Seems to me ObamaCare is causing MORE people to LOSE their insurance than it is actually "helping."

Would LOVE to see a total of how many people in all 50 states have lost their insurance due to Obamacare. Is there a source somewhere with that information?

15 posted on 01/11/2014 6:26:45 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: tobyhill
Socialist healthcare...it inevitably leads to the same place it historically does:


16 posted on 01/11/2014 6:28:29 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: tobyhill

Even if these people pay their first month’s high-priced premium, there is a good chance they will not be able to afford to keep the payment up every month and a good percentage will just let their policies lapse through non-payment. Even people who are not well-versed in economics (which is a large percentage of the population), will quickly see that they can’t afford the expensive premiums.

And if they go to the doctor or hospital, they will find out the hard way that even though they have insurance they are paying an arm and a leg for (no pun intended), they still have to pay for most of their medical treatment out of their pocket by way of the high deductibles before the insurance even kicks in. And even after that, they will owe 20-30% co-pays.

Many will drop their coverage and pay the fine (sorry, TAX) if the IRS can find them and pay as they go with cash for their medical treatments. They will save money that way and with most people hurting from Obama’s “thriving” economy, they will realize that having insurance through ObamaCare exchanges is robbing them blind.


17 posted on 01/11/2014 6:41:30 AM PST by HotHunt
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18 posted on 01/11/2014 6:52:04 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: tobyhill

Yes, this should be fun!


19 posted on 01/11/2014 6:54:48 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: tobyhill

You must file a 1040 tax return before the IRS can calculate what your subsidy will be for the current tax year.


20 posted on 01/11/2014 7:06:52 AM PST by maddogtiger
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