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PT Standards in Question for Women in Combat
Military.com ^ | November 14, 2013 | Matthew Cox

Posted on 11/18/2013 10:48:36 AM PST by QT3.14

The Marine Corps may have to change its physical standards in order to put females in positions to one day lead infantry platoons in combat.

Both the Marine Corps and the Army continue to wrestle with the mandate that former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta issued in January, directing the U.S. military to open hundreds of combat-arms jobs that have been closed to female servicemembers.

So far, the Marines have been out ahead.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bhodod; combat; military; militarywomen; usmilitary; womenincombat
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1 posted on 11/18/2013 10:48:36 AM PST by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

Just don’t lower the standards and then say
male and females are equals.


2 posted on 11/18/2013 10:49:35 AM PST by QT3.14 (USA born 7.4.1776 fathered by geniuses - died 11.4.2008 (Suicide) by idiots and traitors)
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For a long time the DOD has run a PR game saying that the women do everything that the men do all the while it is completely different including the PT standards.


3 posted on 11/18/2013 10:52:58 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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Hmm...the one thing they kept saying would never happen. Chalk this up with “if you like your plan you can keep it.”


4 posted on 11/18/2013 10:53:34 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: QT3.14

Some animals are more equal than others, comrade.

However, if the powers that be weren’t doing this for political points, or some agenda, the sensible thing to do would be to take an experimental company of women who feel they can do the job and build them up to see if it would work. 180 days should’ve been given to ensure female combat arms recruits could meet the male fitness requirements, prior to actually going to the selected training. This six months would also be to gauge the determination of the individual recruit, make sure that they’re not just a bunch of Rambo’s In Name Only. That’s how I’d approach it though.


5 posted on 11/18/2013 10:54:35 AM PST by Antihero101607
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To: QT3.14

When will they lower the SEAL standards?


6 posted on 11/18/2013 10:55:53 AM PST by 353FMG
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But they already have. P.T. scores between men and women are different. They were different when I inducted at Ft. Benning in 1988. By different I mean that a female age 19, can do 50 pushups and pass with a high score. A male, 19, doing 50 pushups is a fail if my memory serves me correctly. But you get the point in any case.

Yes back then women demanded to be treated equally. Scratch that. Women wanted set asides and affirmative action and lowered physical standards. Women wanted to be excused from physical training when they had heavy periods. Damn, I just had to get up and do it.

Now I knew some women that could shoot. But I knew fewer that would hump a pack all day.


7 posted on 11/18/2013 10:57:41 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: QT3.14

But that’s what the PC crowd/tyrants do best.


8 posted on 11/18/2013 10:57:47 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: QT3.14

Ah, the wonders of post-post modernism.

A ruler must not be 12 inches; it must be changed to comply with what we think a foot ought to be.


9 posted on 11/18/2013 10:58:04 AM PST by lurk
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What is a PT standard?


10 posted on 11/18/2013 10:58:28 AM PST by dalereed
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It stands for Phone Talking standards, the ability to communicate over radios etc.


11 posted on 11/18/2013 11:00:34 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: QT3.14
Just don’t lower the standards and then say male and females are equals.

...Which is exactly what they're doing, without admitting it. It's all about pleasing pressure groups now.

12 posted on 11/18/2013 11:02:58 AM PST by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: dalereed

Physical Training


13 posted on 11/18/2013 11:04:21 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: QT3.14

A lot of people are going to die in order for the ‘RATS to have a politically correct military. It won’t be the first time people died for political correctness though.


14 posted on 11/18/2013 11:04:42 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Repeal ObamaScam NOW!!!)
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Put a few women in the NFL, MLB and the NBA for a few years then come back and give me a report.

Pretty sure all of those are less demanding than front line combat.


15 posted on 11/18/2013 11:06:16 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: dalereed

Physical Training


16 posted on 11/18/2013 11:06:29 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: DariusBane

“Now I knew some women that could shoot. But I knew fewer that would hump a pack all day.”

I had my 18th birthday in Army BCT @ Ft. Jackson, SC. I was in the very first co-ed training platoon in 1979.

It got REALLY tiring dragging the boys along every road march. ;)

Physically, some of us can do more, some less. I agree that standards should NEVER have been lowered to let women in the military, but that barn door is already wide open. Sadly, anything goes in today’s military.

I am so GLAD to be out of the military these days. I DO miss the life, though. :)


17 posted on 11/18/2013 11:08:12 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“It won’t be the first time people died for political correctness though.”

Nope, it’s the communist way.


18 posted on 11/18/2013 11:08:32 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: jonno
Why don't the illiterate bastards spell it out

Abbreviating things stinks!

19 posted on 11/18/2013 11:10:16 AM PST by dalereed
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To: DariusBane

> Now I knew some women that could shoot. But I knew fewer that would hump a pack all day.

Women can be excellent shooters with the right training. I remember a few that graduated in my class that scored in the high ‘80’s and low 90’s. The guys that made it to SWAT were required to shoot mid to high 90’s.


20 posted on 11/18/2013 11:10:21 AM PST by jsanders2001
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