Posted on 06/10/2013 11:17:43 AM PDT by xzins
Or do you have a desire to believe what his detractors are saying he said absent an actual quote from him or an actual vote on a real piece of legislation?
We are, sometimes, our own worst enemies...
If you read the article Paul is opposed to the gang of 8 bill.
So bottom line is Paul does NOT support the bill. He wants stronger enforcement FIRST.
Here is a quote.
"I'm really trying to make immigration work, but they are going to have to come to me and they're going to have to work to make the bill stronger if they want me to vote for it," Paul added."
This bill has so many provisions having nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with outrageous violations of civil liberties that it should be scrapped entirely and the process restarted. It is a 1500 page monster. If Paul had said, 'I want immigration reform, but this is not it,' I'd have no problem. The problem is that HIS CHOICE OF LANGUAGE made it possible to construe that he might vote for it after a few tweaks.
We are, sometimes, our own worst enemies...
Indeed. Yet if he gets a promise of 'border security first' and then finds himself trapped into voting for it because of what he said, junior will have participated in a travesty. He's a libertarian at heart, and that group has always believed in open borders as a matter of individual liberty.
Paul is very good on illegal immigration and border enforcement. He should be supported and not bashed.
There is more to this bill than immigration, not the least of which is the requirement for a biometric ID card. It is so disastrous that his conversation should give the process no legitimacy.
I don't think that is what some here want. I think they are just running around waving their hands in the air and making noise to cover the fact that they just don't want anyone new coming here. Ever. From anywhere.
Anyone who wants to come here, legally, to BE Americans should be allowed the chance. Not to be a welfare leach. Not to undermine us from withing as some "Reconquista" movement. My Grandparent on my Fathers side came here from the Ukraine to BE Americans. To give that promise of self-created opportunity to their children.
But then again, we aren't as "free" as we used to be and a lot of the "opportunity" we used to have is gone under an avalanche of .gov bureaucracy.
We're down to "what if"? Gad.
End the welfare and perks going to illegals? Get a real border security solution? Make those currently here "self deport" and come back legally? Cut that 1500 pages down to a couple hundred that actually does what we want it to do?
That's just silly. Really, it would then not be the bill that just came out of committee, which is the bill under discussion. Try to stick to the topic. This isn't about some hypothetical bill.
The only way he can fix this bill is to introduce his own from scratch. This bill must die.
I don't think that is what some here want. I think they are just running around waving their hands in the air and making noise to cover the fact that they just don't want anyone new coming here. Ever. From anywhere.
Then you are in fantasy land. I am not going to debate your fantasies. I am discussing the bill that just came out of committee. You know, the one that is going to be voted upon, the one Paul was being asked about, deliberately, in order to cause a stir. He fell for it.
Anyone who wants to come here, legally, to BE Americans should be allowed the chance. Not to be a welfare leach. Not to undermine us from withing as some "Reconquista" movement. My Grandparent on my Fathers side came here from the Ukraine to BE Americans. To give that promise of self-created opportunity to their children.
We agree there, but that is not what this bill is about. This bill was written by La Raza activists. It is exactly what you DON'T want. "Making changes" won't fix it; it is not savable. They should scrap it and start over. Got it?
I just saw in the forum where they are pushing for cloture today. No time to amend it now...
Rand better hold up his promise to roadblock it if it can't be fixed.
If he doesn't... Then I'll join the pile on.
But not until after the votes are counted.
There you go... dangerous indeed.
Leni
Well cloture just passed with only 15 opposed. I don’t yet know who voted what.
Just another member of the Treason Lobby outing himself.
Rand Paul's immigration speech...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.[Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg]
Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.
Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.
Let's start that conversation by acknowledging we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.
If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...
This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.
Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.
Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reformLatinos, should be a natural constituency for the party, Paul argued, but "Republicans have pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration." ...he would create a bipartisan panel to determine how many visas should be granted for workers already in the United States and those who might follow... [and the buried lead] "Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers...[Posted on 04/21/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie]
[but he's not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
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