Posted on 09/22/2011 7:58:57 PM PDT by teg_76
Perry looked like a doofus, his immigration answers are demeaning.
Romney is a liberal used car sales man.
The others aren't gaining any traction.
That is truly scary. If Romney is elected president, expect him to embrace and expand Obamneycare--just as Eisenhower adopted the New Deal and Nixon embraced and expanded the Great Society.
Fortunately, our bozos are nowhere near as inept as the empty suit in the White House.
Herman Cain is no bozo.
Palin will announce her candidacy after she lets Perry and Romney beat each other up. Perry sure looks bad already.
Honestly? Obama re-elected would be better than Romney as President?
I believe the Obama sees only a sliver of hope of being re-elected, and that is a third party candidate that pulls votes from the GOP nominee, ala Perot, 1992. Whoever wins the GOP nod will be strong enough to beat him one-on-one, and he knows it.
Perry is too liberal with illegals. He seems to be more about keeping his day job than going for President all out.
You must have been asleep - or perhaps blinded by your PDS - when Palin debated 2,000-term scion of the Senate, Joe Biden during the ‘08 campaign. She not only held her own, but cleaned his clock! This, you might recall, was viewed by probably 40+million people, was her 1st national debate, and was against someone who had run for President in past and had been involved in national Dem party debates.
So, your argument that she couldn’t hold her own against the motley crew on that stage tonight is completely groundless. We can dissect the Couric interview another time. Your assertion that Palin could not successfully debate any of the GOP declared candidates or Obama in the general election is just plain wrong.
If Palin ran as a third-party candidate, it wouldn't matter, as Obama would be re-elected. If Palin runs and does not win the GOP nod, I'm confident she would support the GOP candidate.
At this point, I'm guessing she'll sit this one out entirely.
I agree - she's an excellent debater.
What worries me, if she runs, is how much women hate her, because she's smart, successful, apparently happy, and beautiful. Beating Obama means moving a significant amount of his support among women to our side this time, and I wonder if Sarah can do that.
I was pulling for Perry. I am sick to my stomach. Gingrich and Cain are the best we have??? Sigh
I see far more women than men at her rallies, speeches, and on pro-palin blogs.
I thought this was the excuse for her to actively campaign for McCain over a real conservative. She went against her stated principles because she "owed" him. At least this is what Palin supporters posted here on FR.
After watching this forum this evening it is more evident that we need fewer one sentence vanities by posters unable, incapable of developing a coherent thought. Lord help us if these are typical American voters, whoever they end up choosing.
I think that many on our side are too wrapped up in media-drivenmemes on Palin. It’s been a 3 year, unprecedented MSM assault on a politician that, for the most part, had nothing to do with policy (when they released 25,000 emails from her gubernatorial term they had to ruefully conclude that she was a concerned, effective, and even bipartisan politician who fought for her citizens’ interests against well entrenched opposition), but rather ranged quickly and deeply into personal matters to a point no one had ever witnessed. I can imagine that the textbooks looking back at this era will mark with bewilderment and incredulity that the mainstream media accused a female politician of faking a pregnancy, gleefully attacked an infant with Down’s syndrome, accused said politician of Nazism, racism, idiocy, hatred, moronism, book burning, antiSemitism, and - when she became financially successful for the 1st time in her extended family’s lives - being motivated by purely pecuniary interests.
With Breitbart’s expose today of the true libelous fraud and hoax of the McGinnis “book”, I believe we will see the beginning of the end of the hysterical smear campaign against Palin. Opposition based on personal/family issues will be debunked and discredited. Like other pols, her opponents will need to meet her on the field of ideas, not smears and contemptuous lies.
Public attitudes can and do change. It will of course be up to her to reverse perceptions driven home by 3 years of continuous calumny from the media, Hollywood, academe and - most sadly - some on our “own” side. She will need to first conquer the GOP side. After tonight’s performance, can’t we easily envision a tremendous response to her sunny optimism, devotion to American exceptionalism, concentration of the evils spawned by cronyism, and growing mastery of issues? Her force of personality would overwhelm the combined group on that stage tonight.
The time for her to formally get into the fray is drawing nigh. As a supporter, I have not begrudged her waiting until she felt it was the correct time to decide and take the plunge. She has waited out the Bachmann “surge” (she was the “smart” Palin, right?) and tonight seemed to indicate that she has waited out the Perry surge too! Weren’t the main reason that our “conservative” punditry gave for Palin not getting in was that Bachmann and Perry were “occupying her space”? Seems that there might be some freed up space there in the not too distant future. Also, by waiting, she has let any “excitement” about the McGinnis tripe-fest not only die down but, via Breitbart, be totally expunged.
Pretty good strategery (for the stupidest politician to ever grace this country!), no? Sun Tzu would be most proud....
and I thought she had announced, locked up the nomination and after that, Obama called her to ask her not to humiliate him publicly by winning all 50 states and so not have an election; instead he and his veep will step down this in Jan 2013 citing health reasons.....
Not yet, what about urine and DNA test?
“People worry that Sarah would draw from Perry and Bachman, but so what?
If she goes in it would be her or Romney IMO. “
Agreed. With Sarah, I don’t think it’s a matter of who she would pull votes from. Bachman’s about done anyway, and will probably be down to about Jon Huntsman/Gary Johnson level if Palin gets in. And Perry-well, a couple weeks ago it was his race to lose, and he seems to be doing all he can to lose it.
I think a lot of Sarah’s calculation is based on how well Perry does. If he would have come into the debates and kicked butt like he’s been doing on the campaign trail, then she probably would have decided to sit it out. After tonight, it’s clear that Perry is (at least from what we’ve seen so far) a HORRIBLE debater. Given that, I would think Sarah is leaning a lot more toward getting in after tonight.
One other thing-I think those polls we’ve seen lately from GOP voters where the majority don’t want any more candidates (like Palin and Guliani) to get in the race-I’d say they’re about to change dramatically. When Perry got in, many Tea Partiers were satisfied that we had our top-tier conservative to get behind. These debates have instilled a lot of doubt into that premise, which is why I think Sarah is seeing an opening here.
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