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Questions about Obama's Birth Announcement
2/27/10 | Vanity

Posted on 02/27/2010 5:02:33 PM PST by spacejunkie01

I have been paying fairly close attention to the massive questions surrounding BO's background and origin. One of the main things people cling to, to dispute the assertions that he was not born in the USA, is the newspaper announcement. Glenn Beck for one.

Prior to the election, when this was really bubbling up on FR but not really anywhere else, I seem to recall that some poster(s) checked the newspaper announcements in HI and his birth was NOT announced. Then, 6-8 months later, it appears.

My question is twofold; does anyone else remember any of the details of the early research that was going on to back this up and, is there any way to get a copy of the actual hard copy newspaper(s) from that day (archived in HI?) and cross reference whether his name is there like the microfishe shows. I do not see it unlikely AT ALL that some liberal librarians would falsify the record when things started getting hot on this subject. There also seemed to be some gray area around his certificate being out of sequence with the number and the Nordquist twins were NOT announced in the paper, possibly leading one to believe theirs was removed and replaced with his.


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To: Peter Libra

I have no problem whatsoever with anybody doing all the digging they can do to uncover whatever they may find about Barack Obama.
That’s what good investigative journalism is all about.


41 posted on 02/27/2010 7:51:32 PM PST by jamese777
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To: spacejunkie01

Where there’s smoke.....!


42 posted on 02/27/2010 8:11:44 PM PST by swamprebel
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To: David
I can tell you that the ultimate bottom line is that if he gets by the Born in Hawaii issue, he wins. If the Court concludes he was born in Hawaii, he wins. Simple as that.

Great post.....I'm afraid you're right.
43 posted on 02/27/2010 8:12:39 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (If the constitutional eligibility of the president is not a "winning issue," then our nation is lost)
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To: TigersEye
Concerning the birth certificate numbers, I don't see anything very mysterious there. These certificate numbers were issued as the forms were processed by hand by several different clerks. So clerk Number one may have been given the twins to process and another clerk may have been given Obama’s. We don't know the size of the stacks they were working on or the speed at which they worked. Or even if clerk number one took a day of sick leave. It means nothing that Obama’s number is apparently out of sequence.

As far as the newspaper in question, if someone will tell me which newspaper in Hawaii it was, I will let everyone know how which library's accross the country have copies on either microfilm or microfiche and people can begin a comparison process. It could be hundreds.

Splicing film or fiche is not so easy because the print is so very tiny. Altering a printout or scan from the film or fiche is much easier.

44 posted on 02/27/2010 8:21:54 PM PST by Walvoord
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To: jamese777
From the article you posted:

The senior Obama came from Kenya to the University of Hawai'i in 1959, where he met and later married Stanley Ann Dunham, 18, also a UH student.

It's feasible the couple occupied the back cottage at 6085 Kalaniana'ole.

Obviously it is not certain to this author that 0bama Sr., Stanley Ann and Barack ever lived there.

45 posted on 02/27/2010 8:30:20 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: Walvoord

That sounds reasonable to me.


46 posted on 02/27/2010 8:33:13 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: landerwy
If Grampa and some skank from the hood were Barry's real parents, that would explain the concern about showing the certificate, but it would also make him natural born.

It might also explain that he liked Grampa, but Grandma wasn't that fond of him.

47 posted on 02/27/2010 9:39:48 PM PST by Defiant (To bring down a great nation, work to take away everything that has made it great.)
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To: David
the Court would hold that subsequent adoption of the 14th Amendment resolved the natural born issue as to anyone who was born in the US.

Good, you can represent me when I run for President, so they won't claim my immigrant father makes me ineligible.

48 posted on 02/27/2010 9:41:35 PM PST by Defiant (To bring down a great nation, work to take away everything that has made it great.)
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To: Peter Libra
Peter,

World Net Daily has covered the house issue extensively.

WND published records that confirm Obama’s maternal grandparents rented, and lived in, the small guest house behind the larger main house.

It is not known if Obama’s teenage mother, Ann Dunham, lived there, too, but there is no evidence she lived someplace else.

WND also published records that show that Obama’s father rented and lived in his own apartment near the University of Hawaii, where he was a student.

Obama’s father was renting that apartment when Obama was born.

And, Obama’s father continued to live in that apartment after Ann Dunham took baby Obama to Seattle 15 days after his birth.

And to all...

Re: The Birth Announcements

No mystery here - both newspaper announcements were generated by a standard public document release issued by the Department of Health.

All it means is that someone filed a birth certificate at the Hawaii DOH for Barack Obama in that time period.

In 1961, 40% of Hawaiian births were “Home Births,” primarily from indigenous Hawaiian families.

In 1961, a parent or a family relative who had witnessed a “Home Birth” was allowed to file a birth certificate at the Hawaii DOH.

In 1961, the evidence suggests that very few “Home Births” were challenged or vigorously investigated by the Hawaii DOH.

If Obama was a “Home Birth,” that fact, plus the name of the “Birth Witness,” would be recorded on Obama’s “Long Form Birth Certificate,” which he has refused to release.

The Hawaii “Short Form Birth Certificate,” which Obama has released, does not show the place of birth or name the birth witness.

49 posted on 02/27/2010 11:35:43 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: David
But in the political environment in which we are operating today, if this argument ever got to the Supreme Court,

The bottom line...no honor, no courage, and no integrity nothing but tails between their legs.

50 posted on 02/28/2010 1:10:45 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: spacejunkie01

The birth announcements are irrelevant.

They would never be accepted in any court as evidence of anything.


51 posted on 02/28/2010 3:30:03 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: TigersEye

From the article you posted:

The senior Obama came from Kenya to the University of Hawai’i in 1959, where he met and later married Stanley Ann Dunham, 18, also a UH student.
It’s feasible the couple occupied the back cottage at 6085 Kalaniana’ole.

Obviously it is not certain to this author that 0bama Sr., Stanley Ann and Barack ever lived there.


Yes, that’s true. The reporter had no first hand knowledge but both Honolulu newspapers have confirmed that they got their birth notices in 1961 directly from the Department of Vital Records and not from relatives, family members or friends and that address was listed on the birth records for Barack Hussein Obama II.
Since both the Director of the State Health Department and the Registrar of Records of the state of Hawaii have confirmed the validity of Obama birth records, the address on the record is moot. If Obama had been born in a hippie commune on an Oahu beach and if he had been delivered by a midwife, he’d still be born in the United States.

Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution requires the president to be born in the US, be age 35 and have 14 years residence in the US in order to be president. There is no additional information on a long form birth certificate that is required by the Constitution and parents’ home address is constitutionally irrelevant.


52 posted on 02/28/2010 10:25:06 AM PST by jamese777
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To: Beckwith

The birth announcements are irrelevant.

They would never be accepted in any court as evidence of anything.


Yes they would.
The birth announcements constitute corroborating evidence of the parents’ home address in Honolulu and thus in the United States that is listed on the original birth vital records. Since they appeared a week after Obama’s birth date, they also help to corroborate when he was born as well as where he was born.
An Obama defense attorney or a US Justice Department Attorney representing Obama would be a fool not to introduce into evidence those August 13 and 14th, 1961 birth announcements.


53 posted on 02/28/2010 10:44:01 AM PST by jamese777
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To: TigersEye

Could the explanation for the out-of-order sequence with Obama’s birth and the twins be the result of Obama’s birth information given to the officials later than the twins information? For example, let’s say Obama is indeed born on 8/4/61 OUTSIDE OF THE US. Then on 8/5/61 the Nordyke twins are born in Hawaii and their information is immediately given to the officials for BC documentation. Then, the next day or so, either Obama’s mama or his grandparents provide information on BO’s birth to officials, claiming he was born in Hawaii on 8/4/61. Thus, the date is recorded as 8/4/61 and he’s given the next available BC number, which is later than the twins since their info has already been entered. Does that make sense? Is that how it would work if the officials were notified of a birth days after it happened?


54 posted on 02/28/2010 11:59:22 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: jamese777

Your entire post is pure speculation — pure bullsh!t.

You haven’t a clue what is in Obama’s “original birth vital records.”

You guys are unbelievable.


55 posted on 02/28/2010 12:01:01 PM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith

Here’s about all I know for certain:
1) The Director of the Hawaii Department of Health has confirmed that Obama’s birth records are valid and that he’s a natural born citizen. The statement that she read to that effect was written for her and approved by Mark J. Bennett the Republican Attorney General of Hawaii. Both Linda Lingle, the Republican Governor of Hawaii who campaigned for John McCain and Alvin T. Onaka, the Registrar of Vital Records for Hawaii have confirmed Obama’s birth in the state of Hawaii as well.
2) There have been 63 adjudications of lawsuits concerning Obama’s eligibility. No plaintiff has prevailed in any of them including 7 challenges at the US Supreme Court.
3)It only takes any two members of Congress to challenge the Electoral votes of a candidate. When Obama’s Electoral College votes were counted and certified by the Joint Session of Congress, there was no challenge to Vice President Cheney going ahead and certifying Obama’s Electoral votes.
4) Under Hawaii law (HRS 338-18 (b) (9), an officer oi a court of competent jurisdiction can subpoena a confidential birth record. No district attorney or state Attorney General in the United States has sought a subpoena or issued a subpoena for Obama’s original birth certificate.
5) The Indiana Court of Appeals in the case of “Ankeny et. al. v Mitch Daniels, The Governor of Indiana” ruled that Barack Obama is a natural born citizen under Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution. The Republican Attorney General of Indiana was the defense attorney in that case since it was the Republican Governor of Indiana who was being sued for allowing Obama to receive electoral college votes.
6) A Congressional Resolution celebrating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood contained the statement “birthplace of the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama.” That resolution passed the House of Representatives on a vote of 393-0.
7) The Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, John Roberts, swore Barack Hussein Obama in as President (twice)!
8)The 14th Amendment to the Constitution begins with the words; “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens...” Since 1868 the Supreme Court and lower courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment to mean that there are two classes of citizenship for all Americans including potential presidents: born citizens and naturalized citizens. Born citizens are eligible to be president and naturalized citizens are not. There is no Supreme Court decision, no federal law and no state law to the contrary.

That’s about all I know for sure on this issue.


56 posted on 02/28/2010 1:29:13 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
If Obama had been born in a hippie commune on an Oahu beach and if he had been delivered by a midwife, he’d still be born in the United States.

So what? That's a non-sequitur in this context.

57 posted on 02/28/2010 1:59:53 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: GLDNGUN
That is a possibility. This is also a possible reason too. There is, as yet, no official or otherwise validated reason. As with most questions that have been raised it is still in the realm of speculation.
58 posted on 02/28/2010 2:05:12 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: TigersEye

So what? That’s a non-sequitur in this context.


I oould have sworn that the ultimate context was Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. Where’s the non-sequitor?


59 posted on 02/28/2010 2:18:42 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

The “ultimate context?” I don’t do mind reading or seances. The context was in my post and the article I was responding to.


60 posted on 02/28/2010 3:05:22 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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