Posted on 02/27/2010 5:02:33 PM PST by spacejunkie01
I have been paying fairly close attention to the massive questions surrounding BO's background and origin. One of the main things people cling to, to dispute the assertions that he was not born in the USA, is the newspaper announcement. Glenn Beck for one.
Prior to the election, when this was really bubbling up on FR but not really anywhere else, I seem to recall that some poster(s) checked the newspaper announcements in HI and his birth was NOT announced. Then, 6-8 months later, it appears.
My question is twofold; does anyone else remember any of the details of the early research that was going on to back this up and, is there any way to get a copy of the actual hard copy newspaper(s) from that day (archived in HI?) and cross reference whether his name is there like the microfishe shows. I do not see it unlikely AT ALL that some liberal librarians would falsify the record when things started getting hot on this subject. There also seemed to be some gray area around his certificate being out of sequence with the number and the Nordquist twins were NOT announced in the paper, possibly leading one to believe theirs was removed and replaced with his.
I have no problem whatsoever with anybody doing all the digging they can do to uncover whatever they may find about Barack Obama.
That’s what good investigative journalism is all about.
Where there’s smoke.....!
As far as the newspaper in question, if someone will tell me which newspaper in Hawaii it was, I will let everyone know how which library's accross the country have copies on either microfilm or microfiche and people can begin a comparison process. It could be hundreds.
Splicing film or fiche is not so easy because the print is so very tiny. Altering a printout or scan from the film or fiche is much easier.
The senior Obama came from Kenya to the University of Hawai'i in 1959, where he met and later married Stanley Ann Dunham, 18, also a UH student.It's feasible the couple occupied the back cottage at 6085 Kalaniana'ole.
Obviously it is not certain to this author that 0bama Sr., Stanley Ann and Barack ever lived there.
That sounds reasonable to me.
It might also explain that he liked Grampa, but Grandma wasn't that fond of him.
Good, you can represent me when I run for President, so they won't claim my immigrant father makes me ineligible.
World Net Daily has covered the house issue extensively.
WND published records that confirm Obama’s maternal grandparents rented, and lived in, the small guest house behind the larger main house.
It is not known if Obama’s teenage mother, Ann Dunham, lived there, too, but there is no evidence she lived someplace else.
WND also published records that show that Obama’s father rented and lived in his own apartment near the University of Hawaii, where he was a student.
Obama’s father was renting that apartment when Obama was born.
And, Obama’s father continued to live in that apartment after Ann Dunham took baby Obama to Seattle 15 days after his birth.
And to all...
Re: The Birth Announcements
No mystery here - both newspaper announcements were generated by a standard public document release issued by the Department of Health.
All it means is that someone filed a birth certificate at the Hawaii DOH for Barack Obama in that time period.
In 1961, 40% of Hawaiian births were “Home Births,” primarily from indigenous Hawaiian families.
In 1961, a parent or a family relative who had witnessed a “Home Birth” was allowed to file a birth certificate at the Hawaii DOH.
In 1961, the evidence suggests that very few “Home Births” were challenged or vigorously investigated by the Hawaii DOH.
If Obama was a “Home Birth,” that fact, plus the name of the “Birth Witness,” would be recorded on Obama’s “Long Form Birth Certificate,” which he has refused to release.
The Hawaii “Short Form Birth Certificate,” which Obama has released, does not show the place of birth or name the birth witness.
The bottom line...no honor, no courage, and no integrity nothing but tails between their legs.
The birth announcements are irrelevant.
They would never be accepted in any court as evidence of anything.
From the article you posted:
The senior Obama came from Kenya to the University of Hawai’i in 1959, where he met and later married Stanley Ann Dunham, 18, also a UH student.
It’s feasible the couple occupied the back cottage at 6085 Kalaniana’ole.
Obviously it is not certain to this author that 0bama Sr., Stanley Ann and Barack ever lived there.
Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution requires the president to be born in the US, be age 35 and have 14 years residence in the US in order to be president. There is no additional information on a long form birth certificate that is required by the Constitution and parents’ home address is constitutionally irrelevant.
The birth announcements are irrelevant.
They would never be accepted in any court as evidence of anything.
Could the explanation for the out-of-order sequence with Obama’s birth and the twins be the result of Obama’s birth information given to the officials later than the twins information? For example, let’s say Obama is indeed born on 8/4/61 OUTSIDE OF THE US. Then on 8/5/61 the Nordyke twins are born in Hawaii and their information is immediately given to the officials for BC documentation. Then, the next day or so, either Obama’s mama or his grandparents provide information on BO’s birth to officials, claiming he was born in Hawaii on 8/4/61. Thus, the date is recorded as 8/4/61 and he’s given the next available BC number, which is later than the twins since their info has already been entered. Does that make sense? Is that how it would work if the officials were notified of a birth days after it happened?
Your entire post is pure speculation — pure bullsh!t.
You haven’t a clue what is in Obama’s “original birth vital records.”
You guys are unbelievable.
Here’s about all I know for certain:
1) The Director of the Hawaii Department of Health has confirmed that Obama’s birth records are valid and that he’s a natural born citizen. The statement that she read to that effect was written for her and approved by Mark J. Bennett the Republican Attorney General of Hawaii. Both Linda Lingle, the Republican Governor of Hawaii who campaigned for John McCain and Alvin T. Onaka, the Registrar of Vital Records for Hawaii have confirmed Obama’s birth in the state of Hawaii as well.
2) There have been 63 adjudications of lawsuits concerning Obama’s eligibility. No plaintiff has prevailed in any of them including 7 challenges at the US Supreme Court.
3)It only takes any two members of Congress to challenge the Electoral votes of a candidate. When Obama’s Electoral College votes were counted and certified by the Joint Session of Congress, there was no challenge to Vice President Cheney going ahead and certifying Obama’s Electoral votes.
4) Under Hawaii law (HRS 338-18 (b) (9), an officer oi a court of competent jurisdiction can subpoena a confidential birth record. No district attorney or state Attorney General in the United States has sought a subpoena or issued a subpoena for Obama’s original birth certificate.
5) The Indiana Court of Appeals in the case of “Ankeny et. al. v Mitch Daniels, The Governor of Indiana” ruled that Barack Obama is a natural born citizen under Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution. The Republican Attorney General of Indiana was the defense attorney in that case since it was the Republican Governor of Indiana who was being sued for allowing Obama to receive electoral college votes.
6) A Congressional Resolution celebrating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood contained the statement “birthplace of the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama.” That resolution passed the House of Representatives on a vote of 393-0.
7) The Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, John Roberts, swore Barack Hussein Obama in as President (twice)!
8)The 14th Amendment to the Constitution begins with the words; “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens...” Since 1868 the Supreme Court and lower courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment to mean that there are two classes of citizenship for all Americans including potential presidents: born citizens and naturalized citizens. Born citizens are eligible to be president and naturalized citizens are not. There is no Supreme Court decision, no federal law and no state law to the contrary.
That’s about all I know for sure on this issue.
So what? That's a non-sequitur in this context.
So what? That’s a non-sequitur in this context.
The “ultimate context?” I don’t do mind reading or seances. The context was in my post and the article I was responding to.
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