The Chinese evolved from Indians: Study(along with the Japanese,Koreans and all other east Asians)

DNA ^ | 11th December 2009

[cold start]

New Delhi: A genetic study has found that Indians are the ancestors of the Chinese and other East Asian populations.

The study, a joint project of 10 Asian countries, found that India received a wave of migration from Africa 60,000-70,000 years ago and these early humans subsequently moved to East and Southeast Asia. The earlier belief was that humans from Africa reached India and East and Southeast Asia separately.

The study has important implications, especially in the understanding of human migratory patterns and in the investigation of genetics and disease.

The findings of the five-year study -- conducted by a group of 90 scientists, including those from India, in a consortium of 40 Asian laboratories under the Human Genome Organisation -- have been published in the journal Science.

The study analysed genetic data of 1,900 individuals representing 73 population groups. The findings showed that Asian genetic ancestry correlated highly with ethnic and linguistic groups and "considerable gene flow was observed among sub-populations of the clusters" that were studied; the clusters included "groups believed to practice endogamy (marriage within a group) based on linguistics, cultural and ethic information".

"This large study establishes that Indians are ancestors of the Japanese, Chinese and all other East Asians. All these populations have a common genetic origin and it shows that India represents a microcosm of Asia's genetic diversity," said Samir Brahmachari, director-general, Council for Scientific and Industrial Research -- a participant in the study.

[Doe Eyes]

Perhaps “evolved” was misused here.

It is not used in the text of the article. I suspect the headline did not come from the author.

[Blue Collar Christian]

“Except, as stated, genetics has a tiny little bit to do with it.”

OK. So I evolved from my English paternal grandmother and my Scottish paternal grandfather, and of course my Irish/Dutch maternal grandmother and my Irish/German maternal grandfather into an American. Got it. That does, at least, explain why I’m a pastie white boy. ;^)

[Blue Collar Christian]

The people who write headlines are not those who write the articles. The copy editor/headline writer made a dumb mistake. It happens all the time.

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I realize that, but isn’t this fun?

[Blue Collar Christian]

See my post #23. ;^)

[Just mythoughts]

This ‘science’ sure ought to build good relations with the Chinese. I ‘doubt’ it is ‘settled’ just yet.

[ApplegateRanch]

This ‘science’ sure ought to build good relations with the Chinese. I ‘doubt’ it is ‘settled’ just yet.

Judging by the range of opinion just on this thread, I suspect that consensus is still far off, let alone it being close to 'settled science'.

OTOH, I, a known Denier, may just be blowing cold air.

[Just mythoughts]

Judging by the range of opinion just on this thread, I suspect that consensus is still far off, let alone it being close to 'settled science'. OTOH, I, a known Denier, may just be blowing cold air.

There is nothing settled in the dates they claim a so called migration took place. IT is a wild guess at best. Where they get the notion that all things began in Africa is another unsettled guess. And there is no evidence that all peoples around this globe came from either a hot primordial steamy pot of pond scum, or just two newly formed human beings.

[SunkenCiv]

Yeah, really.

[SunkenCiv]

:’)

[gleeaikin]

Just started reading my latest issue of Archaeology magazine. “Stone Age India: Does evidence buried by a super-volcano redraw the map of human migration?” The volcano referred to is Toba, 74,000 kya. Apparently the culture dated to 77,000 kya under the ashes is similar to the culture dated 74,000 kya above the ashes. I have not yet read the whole article, but I think that might be evidence for the idea that some moved north to Central Asia, and eastward. Since the world population was pretty much decimated after Toba, it probably would have taken a while for population densities to have built up enough to support significant migration and deposition of remains.

Sunken Civ: You might want to make a separate post of this article for all our Catastrophism enthusiasts:
http://www.archaeology.org/1001/abstracts/stone_age_india.html

Interesting about the 5 root molars. My oldest son had to have all of his SIX wisdom teeth removed. Someone at the dental school said this is true of some Esquimos. Does anyone here have any information on this anomoly.

[gleeaikin]

I just tried clicking the link I posted, but the article is incomplete on the website. The information about finds before and after the ash comes later in the article. I’ll post more if it is significant tomorrow after I read the article. If you make a Catastrophism post, I will try to put in some of the missing tidbits.

[cold start]

I couldn’t agree with you more. Lots of fun. That is why i picked this source to post. Added a couple of links to stop it becoming “too much fun”. Always delighted that one word can get so many here worked up.

[Bellflower]

There is an incredible drive in some parts of academia to have everything originate in Africa.

It probably makes them feel incredibly PC.

[Smokin' Joe]

There is an incredible drive in some parts of academia to have everything originate in Africa

Perhaps that is because Africa has so long seemed like such a great place to leave...

[bannie]

And then came the American Indians. Maybe the name “Indian” is appropriate, after all?

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks gleeaikin, I’ll try back.

[blam]

Thanks. I say take Oppenheimers' Journey:

Journey Of Mankind

(He shows the Toba explosion too)

[blam]

The Anthropology of Modern Human Teeth

Christy G. Turner, G.Richard Scott
Your Price: $246.49

Sinodonty and Sundadonty

(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Sinodonty and Sundadonty are two patterns, identified by anthropologist Christy Turner, for East Asia, within the "Mongoloid dental complex"[1]. The latter is regarded as having a more generalised, Australoid morphology and having a longer ancestry than its offspring, Sinodonty.

Sino and Sunda refer to China and Sundaland, while 'dont' refers to teeth.

He found the Sundadont pattern in the Jōmon of Japan, Taiwanese aborigines, Filipinos, Indonesians, Thais, Borneans, Laotians, and Malaysians, and the Sinodont pattern in the inhabitants of China, Mongolia, eastern Siberia, Native Americans, and the Yayoi.

Sinodonty is a particular pattern of teeth common among Native Americans and some peoples in Asia, in particular the northern Han Chinese and some Japanese populations. The upper first two incisors are not aligned with the other teeth, but rotated a few degrees inward, and, moreover, they are shovel-shaped; the upper first premolar has one root (whereas the upper first premolar in Caucasians has normally two roots). The lower first molar in Sinodonts has three roots (whereas it has two roots in Caucasians).

In the 1990s, Turner's dental measurements were frequently mentioned as one of three new tools for studying origins and migrations of human populations. The other two were linguistic methods like Joseph Greenberg's mass comparison of vocabulary or Johanna Nichols's statistical study of language typology and its evolution, and genetic studies pioneered by Cavalli-Sforza.

Today, the largest number of references on the web to Turner's work are from discussions of the origin of Paleo-Indians and modern Native Americans, including the Kennewick Man controversy. Turner found that the dental remains of both ancient and modern Indians are more similar to each other than they are to dental complexes from other continents, but that the Sinodont patterns of the Paleoindians identify their ancestral homeland as north-east Asia. Some later studies have questioned this and found Sundadont features in some American peoples.

[MaxMax]

HAH! So it's those dastardly Indians that started all this overpopulation
and C02 pollution! Damn them...

[OldNavyVet]

Any suggestions as to how genetics relates to Genesis?