Posted on 11/25/2009 6:15:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
President Obama is in a fix over his country of birth.
The President started to dig the hole as Senate candidate and now he is president, the hole is getting deeper and uglier, mainly because of his evasive actions. Many Democrat supporters are either ignoring the problem or are vehemently attacking "birthers" who question the President's eligibility.
Republicans are not the only ones concerned about his eligibility. Libertarians, independents, constitutionalists and even democrats are wondering why Obama is fighting so hard to hide his origin.
Unfortunately, Obama dug the hole himself, and like a hole created when a water main leaks and then bursts, the hole is expanding day by day and as it does, the fallout is increasing.
The President and his legal teams have done everything in their power to prevent anyone from accessing his real birth certificate, if he has one, but there are other lines of investigation they cannot block.
During his campaign for the Senate, he and his team touted his Kenyan birth, possibly because it made him more appealing to the voters they needed. Unfortunately, admitting to his birth in Kenya makes him ineligible for the Presidency.
So the question now is, was he really born in Kenya and he told the truth in the Senate campaign, or was he really born in Hawaii, and the Kenya story was a lie, used to deceive Illinois voters.
Obama can't have it both ways. The answer to this question will be interesting!
Of course, he could say the campaign and the reporters all got it wrong, but it will be interesting to follow the trail on this investigation and discover the sources for the AP story that documents the apparent fact that Obama was Kenyan born.
If it wasn't the truth back then, why didn't he stop the campaign using that information and why didn't he make the AP issue a retraction?
Obama supporters who say it is nobody's business, need to take a step back, imagine the president is George Bush and ask themselves the same question they should ask now. "Is it OK for the President to hide his origin and what are his motives for doing it?"
I want there to be a simple, truthful answer to these questions, but I have a strange feeling the answer is not what any of his supporters wants to hear.
Ping for reference ...
To be a natural born citizen, both parents have to be citizens. They don’t both have to be natural born, they could both be naturalized.
You know, I’ve never seen your screen name before, maybe you haven’t read much of the 0bama eligibility threads. I urge you to do some background reading. Many of us have been reading, some doing yeoman research, studying, discussing etc for at least a year and a half.
Try to do some reading. Then you won’t have to ask questions like that one.
Please. People talking on here amongst themselves about his eligibility is totally useless.
Speak for yourself, dude. Your postings are indeed useless.
true- but he would get better fast because he has a copy of GQ with himself on the cover, right?, he’d look at that night and day and POOF! -all better.
What some people dont get is..this man is hiding a snit load of documents...most of which we could have seen for any other president.
This alone, should scream a warning.
If he has so far paid, close to 2 million dollars, in legal fees to hide this stuff..wouldnt the normal person ask why?
Why is he doing that? What is in those documents that he doesnt want us to see?
Hey, I just finished a paper pretty much definitively proving it for my history course. I am looking at having it published at a well respected site, and need to edit it down to about 1200 words.
In short, its not WHERE he was born. Its his father’s immigration status, and the evidence is out in the open, right on Obamas fight the smears site. And the Historical proof is there as well the definition of Natural Born Citizen in history. Its there.
As soon as I get it edited, I will be submitting it, and if it is going to get published, then I will wait to post anything until it does. If it gets rejected I will publish it myself. LOL One way or another it will appear here.
I have 14 for thanksgiving dinner coming tomorrow and a History final to take this week so I will get on it as soon as I can. Just can’t get to it for a couple days. ....(sigh) I need a vacation from my life LOL
I have seen that one- thank you
How wouold somoene go about obtaining any of HIS TV COMMERICIALS where he lauds his Kenyan birth?
I would bet there are none...unless he can control ALL media outlets. They cant be all hiding them.
To add to your very pertinent list, I would include the records of Michelle Obama’s own law practice, and just why she was disbarred from practicing law in Illinois.
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”
and C.J. Waite in Minor V. Happersett 88 U.S.162:
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
And, while we've seen the obfuscation for the past year, just a reminder, the 14th Amendment never mentions the words "Natural born citizen." Its principal author , John Bingham, in an address to a joint congressional session, repeats C.J.Waite and the Vattel definition precisely. There have been twenty four attempts by congress to amend article II Sect I, the latest in 2003 by Orren Hatch; none, I believe, cleared the Senate (though I haven't read them all), for ratification by three fourths of the states.
There has been a great deal written about natural born citizenship. The author of the legal dictionary, Law of Nations, used by our founders for much of the Constitution and the Declaration, de Vattel, was on lecturer Barack Obama’s reading list for a course on immigration law at UofC. He knows the definition, but believes the Constitution is an historical document to be used when it is useful to achieve an objective - like many attorneys.
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”
and C.J. Waite in Minor V. Happersett 88 U.S.162:
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
And, while we've seen the obfuscation for the past year, just a reminder, the 14th Amendment never mentions the words "Natural born citizen." Its principal author , John Bingham, in an address to a joint congressional session, repeats C.J.Waite and the Vattel definition precisely. There have been twenty four attempts by congress to amend article II Sect I, the latest in 2003 by Orren Hatch; none, I believe, cleared the Senate (though I haven't read them all), for ratification by three fourths of the states.
There has been a great deal written about natural born citizenship. The author of the legal dictionary, Law of Nations, used by our founders for much of the Constitution and the Declaration, de Vattel, was on lecturer Barack Obama’s reading list for a course on immigration law at UofC. He knows the definition, but believes the Constitution is an historical document to be used when it is useful to achieve an objective - like many attorneys.
You see, he wants you thinking about what he is hiding rather than what is out in the open. Its been hiding in plain sight all along.
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
You see, Natural Born Citizenship is determined at the INSTANT of birth. At that instant, no other Nation can have a claim on a baby for that baby to be a Natural Born Citizen. At the Instant of his birth, the United States, Great Britain, and Kenya all had a claim on him. AND HE KNOWS IT, and has it right on his website.
All the documents he is hiding is ONLY to make you keep wondering about that rather than the fact that by ALL laws of all Nations, the child inherits the citizenship of the Father. Unless the child is illegitimate and then his citizenship comes only from her. If the parents are married it comes from them BOTH. You cannot be a dual citizen of any sort and be NBC.
It was considered a matter of National Security by the founding fathers. Just read Federalist # 68. That will make it clear just how concerned the founders were to be certain that no foreign power have influence over our Nation.
The truth is out there ... fersure. Anxious to
to see your article .. I know it’ll be excellent.
Let us know *when* it gets published ... ;)
The artful dodger ... lawyered up to the max.
Prayers for your protection from the henchmen.
Have a wonderful and joyful Thanksgiving with
your loved ones.
Yes, I mentioned that in a post further up, comparing it to why I can be a dual citizen of the US and Italy. When I was born, an immigrant on both my mothers and fathers side, had already been naturalized and renounced their citizenship of Italy.
I cant see how he could be natural born, with an african father. His father was a citizen elsewhere.
However, I think there is something in those hidden records, like perhaps he was in college with exchange student status or something, that would smack this right in the face of every american.
Like you said..it matters little where he was born..it was his status at birth.
And honestly..nothing is going to come of this, since it hasnt already. Like you said..its hidden in plain sight.
Excellent additions. Thank you for bringing them to my attention. They will be added.
Thanks, Spaulding. I will have to make a file of my own with that info since it seems to keep coming up.
I know. I have posted on the subject many times. That has nothing to do with proving that Obama was born in Kenya.
There is good evidence that Obama is hiding something about the details of his birth. He should long ago have been required to release his long form birth certificate, and his hospital or other medical birth records.
The evidence I have seen that he was born in Kenya is very weak. The linked piece does not cite any authoritative sources confirming Kenya as the birthplace. Nor do you.
btt
Remember when the passport records for Hillary (I seem to remember) were accessed illegally? Weren't his accessed at the same time? The real reason was probably a case of an early 'cleansing operation.' It did not make the news because he was not considered a candidate with a real chance at that time. Watch the left hand (Hillary) while the real business was going on with the other hand - Obama's paper trail. I am willing to bet that Obama's passport records are now very clean - someone was preparing the way very early on.
Yeah, and Obozo was the keynote speaker at the 2004 DNC Convention.
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