Posted on 11/12/2009 8:53:24 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
While Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species has been described as “a grand narrative—a story of origins that would change the world”,1 ironically his book very pointedly avoided the question of the origin of life itself.
This ought not be surprising. Darwin’s theory of the origin of species “by means of natural selection”2 presupposes self-reproduction, so can’t explain the origin of self-reproduction.
Unfortunately, many proponents of evolution seem unaware of that. They don’t acknowledge that natural selection requires pre-existing life. As leading 20th century evolutionist Theodosius Dobzhansky lamented: ...
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The word is also translated *floodgates*.
However, your posts have been an excellent example of my point in my last post.
“Everybody thinks some of the Bible isn’t true”.
Wow....usually you’re at least on the sane side of discussions here...
but this one...come on Lord Haw Haw! :)
Most certainly not, and as far as holes in the sky, I’m not sure what you’re talking about here. Semantics aside, there are holes in the sky...for instance, when a rocket blasts to the moon to punch a hole in the surface of the moon to expose water via explosives,
(a fascinating scientific subject here lately that has illustrated “the science has been (yet again!!!!!!) turned on it’s head”, etc.)
indeed “punches a hole in the sky” getting there.
As far as the “crux of the matter”, you’re getting warmer in a typical evo-liberal projectionist kind of way...
much of the time it’s most certainly NOT about the science with liberals...
pretty much what it boils down to is liberals can’t tolerate being judged, and mind you not so much by conservatives, or Christians, but indeed God Himself.
Just the idea of it is simply intolerable.
They want to wiggle out of His judgment and detest any kind of honest sincere direction aimed their way...so naturally they hijack science to disprove God and on and on and on.
the joke here is that it doesn’t matter.
absolute certainty is unnecessary.
Darwin was merely the beginning of a dynamic process. .
If you’re incapable of reading, there’s nothing to gain by projections about your disability.
I think you put too strict a confinement on the meaning of physical and barrier:
The gravitational forces that hold the comets in the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud, and the gravitational perturbations that allow one to occasionally escape, are allegorical or metaphorical in nature, and in no way can be considered a literal physical barrier?
Likewise the gravitational forces holding the earth in orbit around the Sun are purely allegorical in nature, and in no way can be considered a literal physical barrier?
Sound (as in the sound barrier) is purely allegorical in nature, and in no way can be considered a literal physical barrier?
Time (as in the 4 minute mile) is purely allegorical in nature, and in no way can be considered a literal physical barrier?
Light (as in the speed of light) is purely allegorical in nature, and in no way can be considered a literal physical barrier?
"That's pretty much what the Bible describes, IMO."
I know of no place in The Bible where it describes the parting of the waters by the firmament in terms of soaring domes and towering pillars. Enlighten me.
Speaking of true words.
”. . . even if you can give a reasonable answer, it will be rejected off hand as not verifiable . . .”
What can I say? We are all agents of a free will many deny, even as they apply it with abandon.
Saying there’s no connection between origins and evolution is like saying there’s no importance between electric razors and electricity.
Which are also openings in a physical barrier. So I take it, then, you do believe there was once a physical barrier around the earth with water on the other side and openings the water could pour through? If you don't believe that--because that's what the words say--how are you not rejecting Scripture? If you want to get around that by saying it's true in a way we can't understand, how is it nobody's allowed to do that with the part about making man from the dust of the earth? Do you really understand how that worked?
Not one that can have literal holes opened in it. I mean, come on! The comets don't escape through "windows" in the gravitation field--it's not like gravity goes away in certain places.
I know of no place in The Bible where it describes the parting of the waters by the firmament in terms of soaring domes and towering pillars.
I said "pretty much." The Bible describes the heavens spread out like a tent but at the same time as hard as a metal mirror, with God walking around in them. It's just artistic license to turn the hard metal tent into a dome held up by pillars.
It doesn’t?! You mean “gravitational perturbations” aren’t really disturbances in the gravitational field? Gravity doesn't have to "go away" - all it has to do is be stronger in some places and weaker in others.
However you parse the description, it seems the waters “above” and the waters “below” were divided (and now it seems even the moon got some of that stuff).
“It's just artistic license to turn the hard metal tent into a dome held up by pillars.”
Ya think? It was an attempt to describe the reality of what The Bible meant. We may now have a better model of that reality.
“However you parse the description, it seems the waters “above” and the waters “below” were divided (and now it seems even the moon got some of that stuff).”
Finding water on the moon now constitutes evidence of the biblical accuracy of the division between waters above and below? What if water is found somewhere else? Might earth then be “above”?
Please, more!
I rest my case.....
I seriously doubt that.
Actually, not only can natural selection not explain the origin of life, but any natural science at all can even come close to explaining the origin of life.
“...not only can natural selection not explain the origin of life...”
It doesn’t claim to. Are you really that intellectually dishonest?
Is it tired? { :^ )
Your hypothesis? Good luck. I’m sure you would like to transfer ownership to me, in order to pick a fight. But, then, that’s what Trolls do. Troll being Troll.
“Please, more!”
More ?! Dear Pauper Assistant, another ladle of gruel for Oliver!
Well, duh. Before life originated there was nothing to select from.
Who does the “selecting” in natural selection?
I have no hypotheses regarding the accuracy of scripture, as faith and science are wholly separate, albeit completely compatible. Are you in the habit of analyzing the tenets of Christian faith by experimental design?
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