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What Should I Do Because of Obamacare? (Vanity)

Posted on 11/08/2009 1:56:41 PM PST by Debacled

Folks, I'm really worried about the House's passage of the Obamacare bill last night. I'm mostly concerned about the fines/jail time for not purchasing an insurance plan.

Currently, I've been without health insurance for over 2 years. I could have bought into a plan, but because the plan's price and my low income (despite my professional job), I decided against getting health insurance. I'm young and in relatively good health. I take prescription meds, but I can purchase them cheaply through Walmart.

My question to the FR community is this: since I don't want to pay fines or go to jail for a misdemeanor (e.g., not buying health insurance) , where should I move to? I was thinking Mexico, Israel, or the motherland Ireland. Atleast in those places, you are not forced to purchase health insurance. Any other suggestions? Am I blowing things out of proportion? Thanks for your input!


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KEYWORDS: congress; fascism; health; military; obama; obamacare; palin
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To: Debacled

The bill is not law yet. The Senate has to pass an Obamacare law first. Then it goes to a conference committee. Then the final version is voted on.

Cap and TAx passed the House last summer but still has not come up in the Senate for a vote - because they don’t have the votes.

The work will be in the Senate to see that Obamacare does not pass.


41 posted on 11/08/2009 2:50:01 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: Debacled
We'll Write. ...Best Wishes.


42 posted on 11/08/2009 2:50:18 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Debacled
You asked for my opinion and you're probably not going to like it, newbie. The fact that you are considering leaving this country because a bill has passed the house is an excellent example of how soft, weak and limp this society has become.

First of all, it has not passed the senate, the bill has not been through the reconciliation process, and it has not been signed into law by the POS prez. It does not become effective until then.

Secondly, run like a baby. Run as fast as you can to a third world cesspool like Mexico. If you believe that life is better is another country, especially across the Atlantic where much of this crap is already in effect, carry your ass ... those of us that are willing to fight for the country will be better off without you.

Thirdly and lastly, the fines that are being proposed are far less than the cost of a policy, so why would you feel compelled to buy a policy anyway?

43 posted on 11/08/2009 2:53:04 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Southern by choice ... American by the grace of God)
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To: Debacled
If they put resistors in jail for refusing to pay for mandatory health insurance, a massive disobedience would quickly destroy the process.

If jail time is the required penalty for disobedience, huge numbers of people could force the government to follow its own rules to the letter (Saul Alinksy's own strategy in "Rules for Radicals") and put millions of Americans in jail. Massive civil disobedience could dismantle the monster before our very eyes in the blink of an eye by the requirement under constitutional law that every person charged with such a crime must have his or her day in court and is entitled to a speedy trial.

The federal court system in the United States would grind to an immediate halt.

The entire law enforcement system would be so busy arresting and booking millions of health-care non-payers, the entire legal process would completely break down under the weight of legal bureaucracy and criminal procedure.

Millions would become criminals and have to be dealt with and there is no practical way, short of violent, repressive tyranny, it could be done.

The American people retain enormous power regardless of what the lunatics pass in Congress.

This is one reason why Congress cannot completely overrule the will of the American people.

This was the problem with the disaster called Prohibition.

44 posted on 11/08/2009 2:53:13 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Debacled
This will have to be foiught tooth and nail. They have crossed the Rubicon and have decided to fight against the American people. Now it's our turn but not just with demonstrations.I posted the following on another thread;

You need to prepare for the upcoming elections. You also need to stop the White House from manipulating the census data. The fact is that the RINOS in washington don’t seem to be interested in a streetfight. It will therefore have to go to the respective governors at the state level to make sure there is an honest count. Recruit local retired cops to do poll watching during elections, yes even in minority areas especially where the GOP rarely goes. We need to have alternative forms of communications as the left will try to shut down this website, FOX News and talk radio. They will use the enourmous power of the government to threaten the broadcasters financially. There has to be a day in midweek to organize a national strike. Not on the weekend. A massive nationwide work stoppage in midweek will create havoc and send them an impressive message. etc.. That’s just for a start. Conservatives need to start alternative labor unions and organizations. Boycott charities and foundations that support leftist causes and the corporations that finance them. Money is the grease of politics and it’s time to starve them of funding. It’s time to get serious about this. Find out which of your neighbors are big contributors to the democratic party and leftist causes. Pick some at random and picket their houses. They won’t be apt to donate quite easily if they know a price is to be paid. Boycott movies by Hollywood actors who support the left, same with TV and cable stations. target companies and start a letter writing campaign to the sponsors of these programs. Especially the ones that fund PBS. Starve the universities not just of money but also of students and send your kids to the few alternatives. This is just for starters. But we need to be organized and there needs to be organization so you need to set up databases and alternative chain communications.. There is a long road ahead.. Retaliate in kind to every slight, politics is not a gentleman’s game it operates by schoolyard rules..PLUS: READ MY POST BELOW

Healthcare Bill marks the first stage of the coming tyranny

45 posted on 11/08/2009 2:54:00 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Gill
Go to prison and let the guvmint pay for your health care.!!

I wonder if most people know that criminals get better health care than non criminals?

46 posted on 11/08/2009 2:55:32 PM PST by Mark17
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To: WVKayaker
"Have you been to a doctor in the last ten years. Do not confuse health insurance policy with healthcare. Doctors have worked for pigs and chickens..."

No. No have not seen a doctor in the last ten years. Your point? Cheers
47 posted on 11/08/2009 2:55:45 PM PST by DoctorBulldog
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To: DoctorBulldog

Point made had nothing really to do with your health! Cheers indeed.


48 posted on 11/08/2009 2:58:53 PM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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To: WVKayaker

LOL! Okay.

Cheers


49 posted on 11/08/2009 3:00:32 PM PST by DoctorBulldog
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To: Vince Ferrer
those Goldbricks in the Senate aren't gonna pass Obamcare...
they wanna keep their cushy jobs...
50 posted on 11/08/2009 3:04:59 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: AmericanSphinx71

You’re nothing but a COWARD and DEFEATIST.


51 posted on 11/08/2009 3:07:36 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Noumenon
Refuse to pay the fine. Resist arrest with deadly force. You won’t be alone. Neither will I.

AMEN!!

52 posted on 11/08/2009 3:09:47 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Oath keepers + The NRA = FReeRepublic (.com baby))
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To: Debacled

BTTT - good questions.. scary situation.


53 posted on 11/08/2009 3:11:05 PM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!you)
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To: Debacled

If millions refuse to buy and refuse to pay the fines, then what will the leftists do? We already can’t afford to imprison those who actually deserve it.


54 posted on 11/08/2009 3:16:07 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

That was obtuse.

America already is a cesspool- abortion-on-demand, gay marriage, and now this mandatory heath insurance.

The human battle against evil is lost- too many ignorant people only care about which politiicans will give them a pay raise, more benefits, and which one talks about change and is handsome.

This nation is, for all intents and purposes, beyond saving. Why try to fight here for a piece of laundry (a flag) when we can start over freshly in a different land? This place essentially has become Sodom and Gomorrah.


55 posted on 11/08/2009 3:16:47 PM PST by Debacled
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To: Debacled

I’ll contribute to a ticket to get you out. You do not deserve whatever this country has to offer. Loser.


56 posted on 11/08/2009 3:20:21 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Southern by choice ... American by the grace of God)
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To: Thunder90

“Remember, the Dims will be coming for the guns themselves pretty soon. They are planning to try and ban most firearms before next March.”

Can you document this ??


57 posted on 11/08/2009 3:21:26 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies om Planet' and " Battle of the Worlds " on Blu-ray ?)
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To: Mark17
I wonder if most people know that criminals get better health care than non criminals?

Hmmm, why does the name Hasan come to mind??

58 posted on 11/08/2009 3:21:44 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Oath keepers + The NRA = FReeRepublic (.com baby))
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To: Biggirl
“Look for a bloody revolution to errupt if that was to happened.”

I would think more on the lines of a insurgent type warfare ... or something like in the book Unintended Consequences.

59 posted on 11/08/2009 3:24:50 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: Debacled

This is AMERICA. You stand your ground and tell the government to sit and spin when they give you an unConstitutional mandate. Join a class action lawsuit. Demand that you have the right to buy whatever level of coverage you want, from whoever you want. Demand an end to insurance licensing (for those who don’t know, it’s simply a means by which insurance companies and agents keep down the competition, and an impediment to the growth of new competitors in the industry), demand an end to requirements for what all policies must cover, jacking up the price and making simple health insurance way too expensive.

Search for more literature on freedom in health care, you’ll find there is a large body of material (ignored by the big media) by economists making the case for a free market health care system, unlike the highly-regulated one we have now.


60 posted on 11/08/2009 3:25:42 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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