Posted on 11/05/2009 3:11:02 PM PST by kellynla
MAJ. GEN. ROBERT SCALES (RET.) "This was a deliberate act of execution."
Very frustrating dealing with these idiots. I, too, have family members like this and know that one day we’ll probably be fighting on opposite sides.
Nope. In fact, what I said was quite the opposite of giving them a place of their own. As for being nicer to Muslims, you simply aren't going to get the point so long as you insist on seeing all Muslims as indentical and interchangable. For the murderous jihadists, by all means go after them. We should so more to stop them than we are doing now. For the innocent Muslim who has no intention of hurting anyone? They shouldn't be treated like a murderous jihadist.
And if we really want to change the nature of our country so that it's permissible to persecute the innocent without trial or due process and it's OK to persecute people because of their religion, then we should define when it's permissible because leaving it to "It's OK to treat the Constitution as toilet paper if we are frightened enough," is not a good idea.
And therein lies a big part of your problem. It will never be the case that I can't eliminate some large percentage of Muslims from consideration simply because they won't be the 10 who pose the threat.
Think of how much more effective they would be if the police didn't have to bother with warrants and trials and other Constitutional rights. Think of how much safer the middle class would be if we just firebombed America's slums and killed them all, and maybe the trailer parks, too, while we're at it. Once you are willing to use your own safety to justify indiscriminate killing, you've become just as much of a menace as the jihadists because that line of reasoning is not going to stop with the jihadists. It never does.
I never thought it would be so difficult to get people on Free Republic to respect the Constitution and not condone the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent people to "win".
You fail to see the one indisputable fact. This is a war against Islam. Every enemy we've killed, who pulled off 9/11, who attacked the Cole, and right down the line were Islamic. And this ain't the first war with Islam and we didn't start this one.
This is a war against several particularly nasty sects of Islam and several particularly nasty Muslim organizations and not every human being on the planet who is a Muslim simply because they are Muslim. Once you are willing ot sacrifice innocent people with impunity, you are just as immoral as the jihadists and, frankly, given the bile directed toward me in this thread, just as much of a menace to me as they are, because if you are willing to murder anyone to feel safe, why not just get me and my family out of the way while you are at at?
I don't know why you can't admit that their very religion teaches them that the entire world must be converted or killed.
Not all Muslims believe the same thing. Yes, you can tell me what the Koran says until you are blue in the face but you are missing the point that it's difficult to find anyone of any religion that accepts and follows everything that their religious books tell them. The vast majority of Muslims are illiterate and have never read the Koran, just like plenty of Christians have never actually read the Bible.
And that's why they hate us and we're not going to change their mind by being nice.
I'm not talking about convincing the nasty Muslims to be nice by being nice to them. I'm talking about turning nice Muslims nasty by being nasty to them.
And we should not allow them in our military simply because we don't know which ones are willing to die as long as they can take some soldiers with them. And we should not allow them to live here.
And on what Constitutional grounds and legal basis are you going to deny them serivce and residency? Should we also throw the Muslims who have been risking their lives to act as informants under the bus, too?
We did fine for a few hundred years without them. All of this is pointless since there are too many people like you who refuse to admit there's only one way to win.
Excuse me for being less than enthused about murdering a billion people, regardless of what they've actually done, so you can feel safer.
Because your "main point" is frequently a straw man created by telling me that I believe something that I don.t
You're freaking slick. You are basically saying that "we" (?) create jihadis by "isolating" Muslims. THey're being created RIGHT NOW in Muslim countries.
The world is not a one track place where things only happen one way. The jihadis, create more jihadis by recruiting, not only Muslims but non-Muslims that they convert. Alienating moderate Muslims (by telling them that no matter how friendly, pleasant, or harmless they are) that they are going to be treated like a criminal makes it easier for the jihadis to radicalize them because the jihadis are willing to be their friends and all you want to do is eliminate them. It's not the only way that jihadis are made but it's a that they are made.
Let me put it this way, if you were stuck in prison and were being threatened by jihadis and some neo-Nazis offered to be your friend, take care of you, and help you get back at the jihadis that tormented you, would you take them up on it and join them, even if you otherwise would have no interest in being a neo-Nazi?
You’re a dishonest debater. I stated *very clearly* that non-jihad type Muslims who neither plan, plot, preach or teach jihad, if living in the US obviously, should be left alone.
You’re the one creating straw men and shooting them down. I merely use the examples *you gave me* and show the errors, and then you accuse me of using the examples you propose.
I don’t mind exchanging viewpoints with people who debate honestly, no matter how erroneous their beliefs. But you are a dirty fighter, so here is my last word to you:
ESAD.
I just made my last reply to the a**hat. When people are wrong but debate honestly, there’s point in continuing. When they lie and use 100% dishonest tactics, it’s just like stepping in excrement, it does no good to anyone, doesn’t help clean it up, and you have to spend time getting it off your shoes.
Using your logic then it is a large number of reports in the media that make something a fact huh? So by that logic you must believe global warming is real because there have been thousands of global warming stories in the media and thousands of global warming studies and reports,experiments, etc, that supposedly prove global warming is real.
Well, the Earth has been cooling since 1998 and will cool further as the Sun is becoming less active. So all of those thousands of global warming studies by “scientists”, experiments, reports, studies and thousands of stories in the media are outright fabrications, lies, total deceit,everyone a hoax.Also the following are imaginary threats fabricated by the media in order to terrorize the population into giving up their freedom to government:
2nd hand smoke , smoking, ephedra,steroids, Pitt bulls, accutane , SSRI’s, steroids, trans fat, swine flu, SARS, bird flu, etc.
Also there are many many SSRI’s each one having different effects and on each individual the same SSRI may have different effects.
People should take responsibility for their own actions and not blame a little pill for supposedly making them gun down dozens of unarmed people. You blaming SSRI's for this Muslim's holy war and terrorism, Obscures the real cause the real threat , Islam is evil.
OK. Then I'm not sure what we are disagreeing about.
I don't mind exchanging viewpoints with people who debate honestly, no matter how erroneous their beliefs. But you are a dirty fighter, so here is my last word to you:
You've been disparaging my character and intent throughout this discussion. Grow a pair and learn how to take some crap without whining if you are going to spend so much time dishing out crap of your own.
Those stories are not from the liberal MSM, but suit yourself. Don't look at the evidence.
I think the guy is really Michael Moore. He says most Muslims can’t read so they don’t know what’s in the Koran. First of all, what a racist statement! Second, that’s the problem. They believe what they’re TOLD is in the Koran. But I can read so I KNOW what’s in it. He admits the religion teaches to kill all who aren’t muslim but says most muslims don’t know that because they can’t read. The major at Ft. Hood could read pretty good.
And I see the press is falling all over themselves finding muslims who will condemn this act and say it’s not about Islam. Even Fox is asking “What would cause a man to do this?” Are they that damned stupid? What causes one to do it in Iraq? What caused them to fly airplanes into the WTC? Islam is what caused it!
And yes, this is the guy who will be wondering why they cut his family’s heads off when it wasn’t him who was being nasty to the muslims. And this guy says there are muslims who have turned their fellow muslims in but are afraid to come forward. First, how the hell does he know this if they’re afraid to come forward? Second, I wouldn’t be afraid to come forward. And I’m sure 99 per cent of all other religions will certainly report a possible suicide bomber to the authorities. But muslims get a pass because they’re afraid. Boo effing who.
The problem is P.C. B.S. W was as bad as any of them. We couldn’t call it a crusade because we might offend the people who are trying to kill us. We can’t ask them to remove their rags because it’s their religion to wear them. And I’m not a racist ‘cause Islam is not a race. I’m a muslim hater!
And, like you, I won’t respond to this P.C. Christian again either. I hope I’m don’t miss the rapture but it would almost be worth missing it to see people like this guy watch Jesus wipe out all the muslim race and everyone who sides with them. I said “almost worth it”.
You’re really bringing up events from 8 centuries ago, with respect to the Catholics, in a discussion about Jihad in the hear and now?
Really?
I live in the hear and now. Jihad is real. Crusades against Christian heretics, not so much.
When the Sufis manage to get their brethren under control, you be sure to let me know.
The poster you are replying to is either insane, a flaming leftist, or a Muslim.
here and now
I have no problem with honest debate - had plenty of it on FR. But I do have a problem with deceit and fraud disguised as “debate”, which is all this was.
Screw it. And he knew exactly what he was doing, he’s pretty good at it. I’ve seen a lot it, too, on FR. Been here since 2002 and ran the Homosexual Agenda pinglist for several years. Had plenty of practice with both kinds of debate.
Yeah, I’m a glutton for brain damage.
I waded in for a while, and then the bile was up to here (hand above head) and had to move on.
Muslim jihad lovers are bad enough; their enablers and apologists are the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Can’t blame you.
Don’t miss the Steyn link in my post just above, BTW.
Opened it up already, thanks! Nothing like stone cold truth to wash crap out of the brainpan.
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