I think the guy is really Michael Moore. He says most Muslims can’t read so they don’t know what’s in the Koran. First of all, what a racist statement! Second, that’s the problem. They believe what they’re TOLD is in the Koran. But I can read so I KNOW what’s in it. He admits the religion teaches to kill all who aren’t muslim but says most muslims don’t know that because they can’t read. The major at Ft. Hood could read pretty good.
And I see the press is falling all over themselves finding muslims who will condemn this act and say it’s not about Islam. Even Fox is asking “What would cause a man to do this?” Are they that damned stupid? What causes one to do it in Iraq? What caused them to fly airplanes into the WTC? Islam is what caused it!
And yes, this is the guy who will be wondering why they cut his family’s heads off when it wasn’t him who was being nasty to the muslims. And this guy says there are muslims who have turned their fellow muslims in but are afraid to come forward. First, how the hell does he know this if they’re afraid to come forward? Second, I wouldn’t be afraid to come forward. And I’m sure 99 per cent of all other religions will certainly report a possible suicide bomber to the authorities. But muslims get a pass because they’re afraid. Boo effing who.
The problem is P.C. B.S. W was as bad as any of them. We couldn’t call it a crusade because we might offend the people who are trying to kill us. We can’t ask them to remove their rags because it’s their religion to wear them. And I’m not a racist ‘cause Islam is not a race. I’m a muslim hater!
And, like you, I won’t respond to this P.C. Christian again either. I hope I’m don’t miss the rapture but it would almost be worth missing it to see people like this guy watch Jesus wipe out all the muslim race and everyone who sides with them. I said “almost worth it”.
I have no problem with honest debate - had plenty of it on FR. But I do have a problem with deceit and fraud disguised as “debate”, which is all this was.
Screw it. And he knew exactly what he was doing, he’s pretty good at it. I’ve seen a lot it, too, on FR. Been here since 2002 and ran the Homosexual Agenda pinglist for several years. Had plenty of practice with both kinds of debate.
Yeah, because Michael Moore has nothing better to do than bait Freepers.
He says most Muslims can’t read so they don’t know what’s in the Koran. First of all, what a racist statement!
The way I wrote that is inaccurate but the Koran is written in Arabic. Most Muslims don't speak the Arabic the Koran is written in or recited in, though there are plenty of Muslims who are illiterate (the literacy rate is 28% in Afghanistan (maybe as high as 50% for men only), just below 50% in Pakistan and Bangladesh, 61% in India, 71% in Egypt, 74% in Iraq, 77% in Iran, and 79% in Syria. So between actual illiteracy and Arabic illiteracy as well as other factors, plenty of Muslims haven't read the Koran.
Second, that’s the problem. They believe what they’re TOLD is in the Koran. But I can read so I KNOW what’s in it.
Yes, and my point is that you may care more than a lot of Muslims do.
He admits the religion teaches to kill all who aren’t muslim but says most muslims don’t know that because they can’t read. The major at Ft. Hood could read pretty good.
And there are Muslims who do read the Koran and don't interpret it that way. The fact that the Wahabbists promote translations that go beyond what the text actually says to justify their brand of jihad is because there is room for people to read what they want into it and it doesn't support their agenda strongly enough without some tweaking.
And I see the press is falling all over themselves finding muslims who will condemn this act and say it’s not about Islam. Even Fox is asking “What would cause a man to do this?” Are they that damned stupid? What causes one to do it in Iraq? What caused them to fly airplanes into the WTC? Islam is what caused it!
His religious beliefs definitely played a key role in what he did and, yes, they are being stupid when they pretend that they don't know that. But not all Muslims share the full set of beliefs that led him to murder.
And yes, this is the guy who will be wondering why they cut his family’s heads off when it wasn’t him who was being nasty to the muslims.
Again, I'll quote Franklin, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Just how much liberty and justice are you willing to sacrifice and how many people are you willing to persecute and kill to feel safe?
And this guy says there are muslims who have turned their fellow muslims in but are afraid to come forward. First, how the hell does he know this if they’re afraid to come forward?
I provided links about Muslim informants earlier in the thread. You tell me you can read. Try it.
Second, I wouldn’t be afraid to come forward. And I’m sure 99 per cent of all other religions will certainly report a possible suicide bomber to the authorities. But muslims get a pass because they’re afraid. Boo effing who.
Really? Is that why so many Germans stepped forward to stop the slaughter of the Jews during WW2, because it's so easy to stand up and do the right thing when your life is threatened? It's always easy to talk a big game when your life isn't in danger. We have publishers and movie directors who are not even Muslim who fear offending Muslims because they don't want to be murdered like Theo van Gogh. It's not just the good Muslims who are afraid of the jihadists. Lots of people are.
The problem is P.C. B.S.
That absolutely is a problem and was a huge problem with this murderer.
And I’m not a racist ‘cause Islam is not a race. I’m a muslim hater!
Not all bigotry is racism but bigotry is wrong.
And, like you, I won’t respond to this P.C. Christian again either. I hope I’m don’t miss the rapture but it would almost be worth missing it to see people like this guy watch Jesus wipe out all the muslim race and everyone who sides with them. I said “almost worth it”.
Because the Jesus in your Bible tells you to enjoy the suffering of others and to wish all of your enemies dead? So your Jesus enjoys the blood of human sacrifices just like the Allah of the jihadists? Apparently you don't just hate the sin and the sinner but want to enjoy their suffering and watch them die.
Do you understand this parable?
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
"Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.
"The servant fell on his knees before him. 'Be patient with me,' he begged, 'and I will pay back everything.' The servant's master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
"But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii. He grabbed him and began to choke him. 'Pay back what you owe me!' he demanded.
"His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, 'Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.'
"But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened.
"Then the master called the servant in. 'You wicked servant,' he said, 'I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?' In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
"This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart."
Since you are looking forward to the Rapture, what do you think "turned him over to the jailers to be tortured" is a metaphor for?
Or how about this?
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies[i] and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
Like I said, plenty of religious people ignore even things that are crystal clear in their religious books when it suits them. Do you really care what Jesus actually said or are your own fears and hatred more important to you? If you don't want to listen to Jesus or don't like what He had to say, how about Paul?
Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. Share with God's people who are in need. Practice hospitality.
Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.
Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary:
"If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Is any of that unclear in any way?