A Classic Polystrate Fossil (defies evo-assumption that the "present is key to the past")

ACTS&FACTS ^ | October 2009 | John D. Morris, Ph.D.

[GodGunsGuts]

Years ago, National Geographic published a remarkable photograph of a polystrate fossil, a fossilized tree that
extended stratigraphically upward through several layers of rock in Tennessee. Its roots were in a coal seam, and the
overlying deposits included bedded shale and thin carbon-rich layers. An advocate of any form of uniformitarianism
would believe that it took many, many years to deposit this sequence of layers (much longer than it takes for a tree
to grow and eventually die and decay), yet one vertical fossil extends through them all. This one fossilized tree offered
a direct contradiction to the evolutionary mantra that "the present is the key to the past"...

[ColdWater]

That is one of the main reasons why I take Genesis so seriously!

I like the part with the talking snake!

Why did God have to create Adam from sand and use Adam's rib to create Eve when he created the whole universe from nothing?

[ColdWater]

When they dug out the new channel to the gulf in my hometown, they dredged out hundreds of old trees in the upright position for centuries.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[count-your-change]

That’s a great picture among a number I’ve found. However... after consulting with an expert on such matters it seems this particular fossil was found in thousands of piecs and mixed with many other broken plant fossils

After years of work by Paleobiodendroligists from the Puttinguon University, it was pieced together using digital reconstruction and a bit of reshaping of the parts.

Some missing parts like the majority of the trunk and roots had to be filled in by sculpters according an artist’s rendering.

Further information can be found at “Fossie, The Paradigm Tosser”.

[count-your-change]

So what's the milieu? Layers of sand laid down over millions of years by rising waters somehow?

[xcamel]

You are indeed a complete and unmitigated moron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilboa_Fossil_Forest

[BrandtMichaels]

“Why did God have to create Adam from sand and use Adam’s rib to create Eve when he created the whole universe from nothing? “

Where would you get the idea God HAD to do anything?

All of you evos on this thread are totally ignoring the other pre-suppositions with your geologic age-dating ‘science’ - namely that each layer is separated by great time periods. Eons or epics as reported by some evolutionists yet you come on here and incredibly defend your position by saying it was all formed during a great flood or other catastrophe.

Anyone with half a brain knows that all of this is open to interpretation. You wouldn’t be so offensive with your posts if your theory was not like swiss cheese.

[xcamel]

Apparently you have somewhat less than half a brain.

[BrandtMichaels]

Apparently you are so close-minded and sure of evolution that you’ve never even considered the scientific arguments from the creation side.

[xcamel]

You seem to base your arguments entirely on facts not entered into evidence. Care to try again?

[whattajoke]

All of you evos on this thread are totally ignoring the other pre-suppositions with your geologic age-dating ‘science’ - namely that each layer is separated by great time periods. Eons or epics as reported by some evolutionists yet you come on here and incredibly defend your position by saying it was all formed during a great flood or other catastrophe.

"Epic" (Epoch?) Fail.

[xcamel]

"scientific arguments from the creation side."

I wonder if that's like "The conservative side of Barry O"

[whattajoke]

You wouldn’t be so offensive with your posts if your theory was not like swiss cheese.

Mmmm, Swiss Cheese. Tell me, are the distinctive holes in swiss cheese created through prayer or via gaseous emissions from Propionibacter shermani bacteria which has been cultured over the years? Does the bacteria strain remain consistent through prayer or through geneticists understanding resistant cultures and strain integrity? Just wondering.

[BrandtMichaels]

Whoop dee doo. A slight on my part.

Your evolution stories are truly epic - aren’t they!?

[BrandtMichaels]

Typical of wanting to credit everything to evolution and science found below.

“Does the bacteria strain remain consistent through prayer or through geneticists understanding resistant cultures and strain integrity?”

I think the consistency of the bacteria strain owes nothing to either - most especially the geneticists understanding.

[whattajoke]

Typical of wanting to credit everything to evolution and science... I think the consistency of the bacteria strain owes nothing to either - most especially the geneticists understanding.

Really? So back in the day when those holes "magically" appeared and the monks (or whomever) had no idea how or why, that was good enough for you? Or do you prefer a more educated world which not only understands how those holes occur (and better yet, how to produce artificial rennet), but how to speed its production and increase consistency through genetics and general science?

We both know I'm just being silly here, but my point remains - science progresses and learns and we know how these fossil trees formed - and it wasn't during the Noachian Flood.

[centurion316]

You are mistaken. Gradualism no longer holds forth by itself. It was joined some time ago by catastrophism, largely as a result of the investigations into the scablands. Demonstrating that gradualism was not the singular mechanism for change on our planet did not did not destroy the entire body of geologic knowledge.

[Kozak]

Polystrate fossils of a single organism (such as a tree trunk) extend through more than one geological stratum. Entire "fossil forests" have been discovered.[1] They are found worldwide and are common[2] in the Eastern United States, Eastern Canada, England, France, Germany, and Australia, especially in areas where coal seams are present. Within Carboniferous coal-bearing strata, it is also very common to find what are called Stigmaria (root stocks) within the same stratum. Stigmaria are completely absent in post-Carboniferous strata, which contain either coal, polystrate trees, or both.

Upright fossils are typically found in layers associated with an actively subsiding coastal plain or rift basin, or with the accumulation of volcanic material around a periodically erupting stratovolcano. Typically, this period of rapid sedimentation was followed by a period of time, decades to thousands of years long, characterized by very slow or no accumulation of sediments. In river deltas and other coastal plain settings, rapid sedimentation is often the end result of a brief period of accelerated subsidence of an area of coastal plain relative to sea level caused by salt tectonics, global sea level rise, growth faulting, continental margin collapse, or some combination of these factors.[4]

In case of the polystrate trees of the Yellowstone petrified forest, which occur buried within the lahars and other volcanic deposits comprising the Lamar River Formation, the periods of rapid sedimentation are regarded by them to be the result of explosive volcanism. This type of volcanism generates and deposits large quantities of loose volcanic material as a blanket over the slope of a volcano as happened during the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo. Both during and for years after a period of volcanism occurs, lahars and normal stream activity wash this loose volcanic material downslope. These processes result in the rapid burial of large areas of the surrounding countryside beneath several meters of sediment as directly observed during the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo.[8] As is the case of modern lahar deposits, the sedimentary layers containing polystrate trees of the Yellowstone petrified forest and the individual forests, which these polystrate trees comprise, are discontinuous and very limited in their areal extent. Individual layers containing polystrate trees and individual buried forests, which these polystrate trees compose, occupy only a very, very small fraction of the total area of Yellowstone National Park.[9]

[ElectricStrawberry]

This guys is worse than Lyin' Brian Thomas MS*...

SO, first, he starts by laying out a bogus scenario in which a vertical fossilized tree supposedly creates a problem for evolution.......THEN, he gives a rational explanation for how it could occur naturally......THEN he finishes it up with the typical false conclusion:

Our understanding of possible events during the great Flood of Noah's day was substantially expanded, including that rapid deposition of sediments and burial of fossils could be expected during such a deluge. The more evidence that science uncovers, the more it supports the biblical account of earth's history.

No..."Dr"...as science has uncovered evidence, it has NEVER supported the biblical account of Earth's history.

[ColdWater]

“Why did God have to create Adam from sand and use Adam’s rib to create Eve when he created the whole universe from nothing? “

Where would you get the idea God HAD to do anything?

OK. Why did God have to create Adam from sand and use Adam’s rib to create Eve when he created the whole universe from nothing? “