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Gun Control By Way Of Health Reform
IBD Editorials ^ | October 22, 2009 | INVESTORS BUSINESS Staff

Posted on 10/22/2009 5:56:57 PM PDT by Kaslin

Gun Rights: A decade after Congress forbade the CDC from studying the health consequences of gun ownership, the National Institutes of Health has started funding such research. Will reform pry the guns from our cold, sick hands?

More than a decade ago Congress, seeing it as a backdoor assault on the 2nd Amendment and the right to keep and bear arms, voted to cut funding for firearms research by the Centers for Disease Control. Such research was viewed as one-sided and based on flawed assumptions that all gun use was bad, even that which saved lives and deterred crime.

The National Institutes of Health seemed to have picked up the baton by funding similar studies of gun violence as a public health issue.

"It's almost as if someone's been looking for a way to get this study done ever since the Centers for Disease Control was banned from doing it 10 years ago," said Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, of one of the NIH studies. "But it doesn't make any more sense now than it did then."

In response to inquiries about the studies, NIH spokesman Don Ralbovsky said: "Gun-related violence is a public health problem — it diverts considerable health care resources away from other problems and, therefore, is of interest to NIH."

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To: upstanding

Who the hell is your doctor? I have never been asked that and never heard of anyone being asked.


41 posted on 10/22/2009 9:36:00 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: stevio

No, they don’t.


42 posted on 10/22/2009 9:36:35 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Quickgun
When your doctor starts asking if you have guns, and there hasn’t been a full fledged civil war, then you’ll deserve what you get. My “line in the sand “ comes way before that time.

Ditto.

43 posted on 10/22/2009 9:44:36 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

How’s he going to prove it? Tell him to shove it somewhere dark.


44 posted on 10/22/2009 9:58:28 PM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: Kaslin

Today in nearby San Marcos, Texas, a homeowner defended property against an armed intruder. Shot the intruder 3 times. Home owner and family are healthy tonight.

Intruder survived, but from the report the armed intruder is not feeling too well.

A health issue and correlation to the 2nd may be one of perspective.


45 posted on 10/22/2009 10:27:51 PM PDT by RainDog
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46 posted on 10/22/2009 10:51:54 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: Kaslin
The National Institutes of Health seemed to have picked up the baton by funding similar studies of gun violence as a public health issue.

I'm sure they will eventually draw the conclusion that the Department of Defense is just a huge public health hazard!

</sarc>

47 posted on 10/23/2009 12:43:20 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin
This is from articles published by CDC officers themselves, who are not outlining their strategy for, quote, “how to stop the epidemic of violence.”

Well, there's your list of public suspects. Time for a shakeout at CDC.

48 posted on 10/23/2009 12:50:38 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: John.Galt2012
Well, I would have to ask what percentage of the National Health expenditures is spent on gun related incidents...

Then we can add their portion of that to the other substantial tab the taxpayers pick up for the people who are here illegally every year.

49 posted on 10/23/2009 2:21:51 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: upstanding

I can see that happening.


50 posted on 10/23/2009 5:48:26 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
It tells you things about an agenda that can only be implemented by deceit, subterfuge and hidden deals.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

51 posted on 10/23/2009 5:50:40 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Joe Brower

Thanks for the ping. My doctor will be going “Henry Bowman” if this is implemented.


52 posted on 10/23/2009 7:05:43 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (The first Civil War freed slaves from individuals. CW2 will free slaves from the government.)
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To: Joe Brower

Does this mean we all have to dodge questions from our doctors about guns in the home again? I remember about 10 years ago, every time we went to the doctor they would ask.

Aw jeez!


53 posted on 10/23/2009 7:45:16 AM PDT by Califreak (Obama's Purple Reign must be stopped!)
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To: Joe Brower
It tells you things about an agenda that can only be implemented by deceit, subterfuge and hidden deals.

That has been my contention about the lib agenda for a long time. If they have to resort to fraud, deceit and subterfuge to get their agenda passed, it suggests that they know damn well that their agenda won't pass muster in an open, honest forum with most Americans. So, they intend to force it down our throats instead.

They appear to believe that they can control the backlash. I'm not convinced. I believe that they are victims of their own propaganda.

It seems fortunate for them that we are not the kind of people that they are always accusing us of being...

54 posted on 10/23/2009 8:24:43 AM PDT by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times. NRA, GOA, SAF, CCRKBA. FUBO.)
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To: Joe Brower

A gang of arrogant charlatans are in charge!!

Be Ever vigilant!!


55 posted on 10/23/2009 8:44:51 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Kaslin

It’s already done. The MA AG declared guns “defective consumer products” in the 1990s and promply banned the sale of most handguns in the state. Rule still applies. Only “approved” guns can be sold here. Coming soon to your state.


56 posted on 10/23/2009 12:36:13 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Carry_Okie
When your doctor becomes a Federal Officer you will have committed a felony.

When they finally make you a felon, become a good one.

57 posted on 10/23/2009 3:31:29 PM PDT by kcar
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To: mojitojoe
Hey don't shoot the messenger. I am in an HMO.

Look it up; the gun question is, IIRC, part of a standard CDC battery of public health questions. I'm surprised you've never heard of it.

58 posted on 10/23/2009 6:11:12 PM PDT by upstanding
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To: upstanding

Oh I’m not. I just can’t believe they asked that. Did you answer? I would say none of your damn business. Since you posted that I asked everyone on my email list, friends, work associates, not a one of them had ever been asked or ever heard of it. I don’t have an HMO.


59 posted on 10/23/2009 7:25:48 PM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: mojitojoe; Fred Hayek
Interesting. And heartening that it's not as widespread as I thought.

I noticed that also "Fred Hayek" mentioned it earlier in the thread. He's in Minnesota, my physicians are unfortunately in urban and extremelt leftist northern Virginia. Hayek: are you in an HMO, too? Is the gun ownership question pretty standard in your area?

FYI... I just found some articles on the matter:

http://www.claremont.org/projects/projectid.12/project_detail.asp

http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel070501.shtml

http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2008/12/18/my-doctor-wanted-to-know-if-im-a-gun-owner/

http://www.gunblast.com/Gun_Grabbers_AMA.htm

I've always answered, "that's nobody's business." My regular physician as well as the kids' pediatrician both seemed to understand fully that it crosses the line.

60 posted on 10/24/2009 6:00:50 AM PDT by upstanding
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