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Think Twice Before Backing Third-Party Candidates
Bob McCarty Writes ^ | 10-9-09 | Bob McCarty

Posted on 10/09/2009 8:32:34 AM PDT by BobMcCartyWrites

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To: Huck

No, the quotes are great. Thanks again.


61 posted on 10/09/2009 9:58:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Darkness has no response to light, except to flee.)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

btt


62 posted on 10/09/2009 9:58:58 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: EternalVigilance

There’s an old Travelling Wilbury’s quote that sticks in my head “Sometimes yer better off not knowing how much you’ve been had.” I happen to think things are much worse than people think. It’s all the way to the core. And it’s all water under the bridge. You can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube.


63 posted on 10/09/2009 9:59:56 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

This is nonsense.

There are only a handful of truly conservative Republicans willing to stand up against the slide into socialism. All the Democrats seem willing to race there and half the Republicans are walking there. Whether we fall into socialism depends upon enough men and women with the courage and guts to speak out against it. It does NOT depend on me supporting people like John McCain or Olypian Snowe to stop the Democrats, because these people are JUST as guilty as the rest of the Democrats.

It is absolutely wrong to think that dividing your vote/or financial support will stem this growing socialist tide. It will not unless we support people who are willing to take on the tough choices that face this country. To say that we will elect ANY Republican just because they’ll stop the Democrats simply is not true.

The Republican had their chance and blew it. I am not going to give money or support to the likes of a party who does not have the guts to stand on principles. Nor am I’m going to give my money/support to a party who is going to turn around and support someone like Snowe just because she’s “electable”. What good is that?

I want a party that clearly details how they plan on getting us out of this mess. It doesn’t matter if they win or lose. What matters is that they speak out. I’m tired of a party that wants to look at “including” people. Instead they should develop some backbone and say, “This is what we stand for…” and then let the people come to them. Believe me, you will have all sorts of people coming.

My money and time will go to those who stand for principles. If we lose then we gave it our best shot as the country slides into socialism.


64 posted on 10/09/2009 10:00:38 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Huck

Yeah, I hear ya. If it wasn’t for the knowledge I have that God still sits firmly on His Throne, ruling in the affairs of men, I would despair for all I see going on around me.


65 posted on 10/09/2009 10:01:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Darkness has no response to light, except to flee.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Well, yeah, I guess though my faith is anything but strong, I pretty much fall back on that in the end. But as Jefferson so presciently worried,

"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

66 posted on 10/09/2009 10:04:26 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: HarleyD
I pretty much agree with you. Sometimes, unfortunately, you simply have to backtrack. When you're going in the wrong direction, you need to turn around, even if it costs you time and money and pain. The mistakes are already made. No use pretending about it.

However, as you may see from my other posts on this thread, the problem is far worse than just a corrupt party. It's a failed system. Until we start over, we're playing around at the margins.

67 posted on 10/09/2009 10:07:13 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
Close the primaries and end “same day registration” and we will not need a third party.

Well I don't see any evidence that they are going to do that, and they are in charge of that process.

Rush has been trying to tell us for years that the Republican Establishment, hates Christians and the little people. Just look at the treatment of Sarah Palin.

68 posted on 10/09/2009 10:12:43 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Voting for a RINO is wasting your vote. The 3rd Party is the only way to go in this corrupt age. There is no two party system—it died. A 3rd party will force the GOP to the right. We need reforms! We need to end corruption.


69 posted on 10/09/2009 10:15:05 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Huck

All things that God does are good, even His infliction of rightful justice upon men and nations.

But, I often use that same Jefferson quote as well.


70 posted on 10/09/2009 10:17:23 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Darkness has no response to light, except to flee.)
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To: EternalVigilance
...we need Haley Barbour back as head of the RNC. Old generals fighting the last war. Yeah, that'll work. /s

Haley was successful. The "new" leadership isn't doing very much today.

I don't think the problem is "old generals". It's that most of the old Republicans still in politics or office are RINOS. ie: Mclame, E.D. Dole, etc. Barbour is conservative to his core.

71 posted on 10/09/2009 10:20:02 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: A. Patriot
Haley was successful.

Depends on how you define success. He certainly got more Republicans elected. But where did that get us over the long haul?

72 posted on 10/09/2009 10:22:41 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Darkness has no response to light, except to flee.)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

Support Conservative candidates in your republican primary, tell your friends to get involved with that instead of running a third party candidate.

ONLY run, support a third party candidate as a last resort where 1) It is reasonable to win, and 2) Both the Dem and Rep (won in primary) are Liberals.


73 posted on 10/09/2009 10:27:54 AM PDT by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
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To: EternalVigilance
Depends on how you define success. He certainly got more Republicans elected. But where did that get us over the long haul?

An opportunity. A chance. Not his fault the the Republicans blew it.

74 posted on 10/09/2009 10:42:56 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: Huck
The Constitution was a mistake. The anti-feds were right.

Which portions of the anti-federalist papers resonate most?

75 posted on 10/09/2009 10:57:50 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Truth to the Left is that which advances their goals. Factuality is irrelevant.)
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To: Jacquerie
I posted a few quotes. Actually, some of them didn't go far enough, and decided that a Bill of Rights would address their concerns. They were wrong about that. And the BoR contained some glaring errors in its own right.

The basic idea which resonates with me is that the Constitution created a centralized government that would not be contained, and that obliterated state sovereignty. That the safeguards sounded nice in theory, but would not hold in practice. That the supremacy of the national gubmint would lead to tyranny. That it was way more gubmint than was necessary. That judicial tyranny was a threat to liberty. etc.

76 posted on 10/09/2009 11:04:08 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Jacquerie

Impossible day to carry on a serious discussion. Would like to know your interest in the anti-feds, etc.


77 posted on 10/09/2009 11:29:33 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites
Note to Republicans: Think twice before foisting RINOs and Liberals as candidates of the Republican party.

I won’t support a third party presidential candidate in 2012, unless that party has a significant number of incumbents on the ballot at all levels, including incumbent Representatives and Senators, and has earned consideration.

In 2010, only Conservative candidates will get my support. If the Republican party runs solid conservatives, they have my vote. If they run RINOs, they can expect my strong, principled opposition. It is at least equally likely that the RINO will split "moderate votes" with the Liberal/Marxist DemocRAT and enable the true conservative to win.

The decision has to be made on a district by district basis. My old district (before I moved) in Georgia is an example. It is a conservative district, with no real chance for a Democrat to win. However, the primary is crowded now. If that fact, combined with an open primary, results in a RINO on the ballot for that district, there is a good chance that the Conservatives in the district could unite behind a single conservative candidate and win the general election with a single, strong, independent conservative candidate. That wouldn’t be good for Republicans, but I believe it might be better for the Republic.


From the desk of
cc2k:

78 posted on 10/09/2009 11:50:23 AM PDT by cc2k (Are you better off today than you were $4,000,000,000,000 ago?)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

...no votes for globalists—not even sneakier ones without voting records.


79 posted on 10/09/2009 12:08:50 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Huck
I am honestly interested in what you have to say regarding the mistakes in our Constitution. I've read several, but by no means all of the anti-fed papers. IIRC the ones I read were authored by Brutus, aka Robert Yates from NY who along with Governor Clinton were vociferous opponents of the proposed Constitution.
80 posted on 10/09/2009 1:35:01 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Truth to the Left is that which advances their goals. Factuality is irrelevant.)
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