Posted on 10/07/2009 11:23:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
By Alan Keyes
October 7, 2009
Loyal to Liberty
I just received a call from Orly Taitz, my attorney in the case seeking proof of Obama's eligibility for the Office of President of the United States. Judge Carter has released a statement declaring that the dates he set for the hearing and trial on the eligibility issue are confirmed, and it will move forward as scheduled. Apparently he was not swayed by the Obama lawyer's arguments.
“The Constitution says that the President has to be a Natural Born Citizen. It doesn’t say that he has to prove it...”
There you go again... n What is the meaning of is? Is there “controling legal authority” over the communists?
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You can't say that because someone got a Certification of Hawaiian Birth under a 1912 law that was not in effect in 1961, that means that Obama might have done that too. The “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” Program was terminated in 1972 when, among other reasons, the law required the U.S. Social Security Administration to issue Social Security numbers and to obtain more stringent evidence of age and citizenship or alien status and identity. Obama (and his mother/grandmother trying to aid in his citizenship and Welfare/College tuition for him) MAY have converted his "original birth certificate" via THIS method (or variation thereof):
1) in the 1960s, create a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" via affidavits from mom and/or grandmother When Hawaii became a state in 1959, there were many people residing there who may not have had a filed birth certificate, but did possess a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.” Any person to whom a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” had been issued could request to amendment, including a legal change of name, via a “Late Birth Certificate.” By applying for a “Late Birth Certificate” issued in lieu of a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth,” changes could be made to the official records of that person that were filed using the previously-submitted form. The “Late Birth Certificate” would be treated more like the more-legitimate “Certificate of Live Birth,” even though several years may have passed, memories faded and accounts changed regarding the events surrounding the birth. To make changes to the “birth certificate” on file, an applicant would be required to submit documentary evidence of the birth facts, often in the form of a questionnaire and affidavits, to support the registration of the “Late Birth Certificate.” On a small island, in a time devoid of computers and databases, verification was a little harder to come by than today. Also almost like a small town in the 196s, people knew each other and were probably not highly suspicious of forgery or incomplete birth records. Once approved, the “Late Birth Certificate” would be registered in the official birth records in place of the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.” Under existing policy, the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” and supplementary data would then be surrendered to the Department of Health, to be archived. American citizenship has always been seen as being highly sought after for political freedom and economic opportunity. Laws similar the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” existed for Guam and other American territories. By today’s standards, compared to the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” era of non-computerized record keeping of pre-1972, it would be relatively EASY to “slip in” using Hawaiian law to prove US Citizenship, even if the child had not be born on Hawaii. |
Now you are really messin’ with the after bithers, BP2.
Typical. Restate people's position as being what you want it to be for argumentation's sake. Set up a straw man that you can then knock down.
We don't "take it as an article of faith" that he's not natural born. We're simply pointing out that, contrary to your above assertion, documentary evidence has not been presented. The most important piece of evidence of course being a document that Obama could release with ten bucks and a phone call.
If anyone is taking anything "on faith," it is you all. According to posters on your side of this, Obama's word and some bureaucrat's word satisfies everything.
There is nothing "better" about the long form BC than the COLB already released. Both are equally valid proof of birth in Hawaii.
Why take a general statement from an official when a long-form BC is on file? If I need to show my BC, it’s not enough to say, “Call the lady in the state vital records office; she’ll tell you.”
He did show his COLB, which is just as good as a long-form BC when it comes to proving birth in the US. The statement by the DOH only corroborates the relevant information contained therein, namely that he was born in Hawaii.
“People who take it as an article of faith that Bambi isn’t a natural born citizen no matter what evidence is presented”
You are people who take as an article of faith that Bam Bam is a natural born citizen. Prove it. It is that simple.
What would happen if several states before the 2012 election passes such legistation and during that election it comes out that Obama is ineligible. Wouldn’t it then prove that Obama was also ineligible back in 2008 too?
Wouldn’t be better to get this out in the open sooner than later?
Tell that to the millions of Americans who are asking the question: "If he doesn't have anything to hide, why won't he just cough up the ten bucks and release his birth certificate"?
Barbara Streisand. We know he did not have a Certificate of Hawaiian birth or a Late Birth Certificaate because his birth was registered within 4 days.
But you know that. How many times will we have to debunk this falsehood of yours before you stop repeating it?
This has been proven to be false again and again.
No they can't. The reader will see discussion of all the facts that were brought up.
You had a chance to prove otherwise by showing one ignored fact. You couldn't do it. So why not stop this kind of behavior and just talk about the issues?
Identify the lie that I've told.
He did! If you cough up ten bucks and just ask for a birth certificate, Hawaii gives you a COLB like the one he posted.
Yes, you can get a long form, but it's a bigger hassle. Just ask pissant.
Why should he go through that extra hassle if the COLB is good enough to prove US birth to any Federal agency?
“....his birth was registered within 4 days...”
Okay, who reported bam bam’s birth and what proof did they offer to the State and was it acceptable to the state? Why all the cover up?
No it has not.
You can argue all you want over what the law should be. As a lawyer, people pay me to tell them what the law is, not what they'd like it to be.
Many, many grave constitutional issues are never resolved by the courts. There were numerous attempts to get the courts to decide if the Vietnam War was constitutional, and the courts consistently refused to get involved. I am telling you that, in my professional opinion, the odds are overwhelming that the courts will not decide Obama's qualifications one way or the other. I may be wrong; Judge Carter has yet to release his decision on the motion to dismiss. But I have been right in my predictions on these threads since last Fall, and I will be surprised if I am wrong about this case.
And I doubt that anything will change the character flaw in you that you believe something must be true because you want it to be true.
Not relevant to his eligibility.
and what proof did they offer to the State and was it acceptable to the state?
What a stupid question. Since they registered his birth, it follows the proof was acceptable to the state. Duh.
FYI, there's no way he could have a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth because his birth was registered within four days. The COHB was only given to people whose births were not registered before their first birthday.
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