[BP2]

You can't say that because someone got a Certification of Hawaiian Birth under a 1912 law that was not in effect in 1961, that means that Obama might have done that too.

The “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” Program was terminated in 1972 when, among other reasons, the law required the U.S. Social Security Administration to issue Social Security numbers and to obtain more stringent evidence of age and citizenship or alien status and identity.

Obama (and his mother/grandmother trying to aid in his citizenship and Welfare/College tuition for him) MAY have converted his "original birth certificate" via THIS method (or variation thereof):

1) in the 1960s, create a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" via affidavits from mom and/or grandmother
2) after 1972, convert it to a "Late Birth Certificate" (which can still be done today!)
3) anytime thereafter, convert it to a "Certificate of Live Birth"
4) after Nov 2001, when the abbreviated "Certification of Live Birth" began to be issued, it would be easy for Obama to hide the paper trail that would have disqualified him.

When Hawaii became a state in 1959, there were many people residing there who may not have had a filed birth certificate, but did possess a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.” Any person to whom a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” had been issued could request to amendment, including a legal change of name, via a “Late Birth Certificate.”

By applying for a “Late Birth Certificate” issued in lieu of a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth,” changes could be made to the official records of that person that were filed using the previously-submitted form. The “Late Birth Certificate” would be treated more like the more-legitimate “Certificate of Live Birth,” even though several years may have passed, memories faded and accounts changed regarding the events surrounding the birth.

To make changes to the “birth certificate” on file, an applicant would be required to submit documentary evidence of the birth facts, often in the form of a questionnaire and affidavits, to support the registration of the “Late Birth Certificate.” On a small island, in a time devoid of computers and databases, verification was a little harder to come by than today. Also almost like a small town in the 196s, people knew each other and were probably not highly suspicious of forgery or incomplete birth records.

Once approved, the “Late Birth Certificate” would be registered in the official birth records in place of the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.” Under existing policy, the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” and supplementary data would then be surrendered to the Department of Health, to be archived.

American citizenship has always been seen as being highly sought after for political freedom and economic opportunity. Laws similar the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” existed for Guam and other American territories. By today’s standards, compared to the “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” era of non-computerized record keeping of pre-1972, it would be relatively EASY to “slip in” using Hawaiian law to prove US Citizenship, even if the child had not be born on Hawaii.

[SaraJohnson]

Now you are really messin’ with the after bithers, BP2.

[curiosity]

1) in the 1960s, create a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" via affidavits from mom and/or grandmother 2) after 1972, convert it to a "Late Birth Certificate" (which can still be done today!) 3) anytime thereafter, convert it to a "Certificate of Live Birth" 4) after Nov 2001, when the abbreviated "Certification of Live Birth" began to be issued, it would be easy for Obama to hide the paper trail that would have disqualified him.

Barbara Streisand. We know he did not have a Certificate of Hawaiian birth or a Late Birth Certificaate because his birth was registered within 4 days.

But you know that. How many times will we have to debunk this falsehood of yours before you stop repeating it?

[Sibre Fan]

The “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” Program was terminated in 1972

Thank you - and the prior poster(s) who posted that info, which I was just working through. I had bad info, and I was WRONG on that, and freely admit it.

That being said, I do not believe you can get a COLB based on a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth" (for the very reasons it was terminated - the program did not demand sufficient proof of the requirements). I am looking for a link on that, and will provide it (or correct my statement) when I find it.

As for the "Late Certificate" and "Non-attended BC" theories - they could work only if you are willing to believe that both newspapers falsely reported that their announcements were based on Health Bureau Statistics.