Posted on 08/02/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by BP2
My first take is that the dates DO match up for 1964 events surrounding the Obama's 1964 divorce.
Here we go:
Ann filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 (Inauguration Day – what are the odds?), and the date was set by the presiding judge for the trial to commence 30 days after Obama SR would have responded to his notification, sent to Cambridge, Mass (Cambridge – what are the odds? ).
Judge Samuel P. King who granted the divorce – last I heard was retired and alive (for now) in his 90s in Hawaii -- MAY or MAY NOT have asked to see the Marriage Certificate. BUT, I bet Judge King asked to see Obama JR's Birth Certificate to confirm Ann's claims that Obama SR was in fact the father. That is “standard” policy to have a Birth Certificate in case the mother asks for child support from the father (or Welfare) later after the divorce. Judge King probably told Ann to produce a birth certificate before or at trial, which would have been sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 HAD Obama SR answered his notice that was sent to Cambridge.
When Judge King wrote the order on Jan. 23, he had his clerk notify Obama SR via what's referred to as a "knock and nail". That is, the postman leaves the notification on the door for (generally) 10 days and retrieves it after that time passes -- signed or unsigned. That order was sent on Jan. 23 via airmail from Hawaii and was probably posted on Obama SR's door Jan. 27-28.
Obama SR's notification was unsigned by him and apparently IGNORED -- either he didn't want to accept it OR he was NOT at that location.
However, Judge King granted the divorce to Ann Obama (which changed back to Ann Dunham) exactly 60 days from when the original order was request by Ann by default.
NOW, my guess is that Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate before he'd be willing to grant the divorce, either at trial or by default on March 20, 1964. Ann probably didn’t have the birth certificate when she filed on Jan 20. That's when this birth certificate would have been generated -- before trial for the 1964 divorce.
Important side note: the Certificate issue date of Feb 17, 1964, is JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER KENYA BECAME INDEPENDENT on Dec. 12, 1963. TO THIS DATE, this may be the only certificate on Kenyan file today if British documents were sent to the UK for archiving leading up Kenya becoming an independent nation.
If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce -- AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.
Furthermore, it's quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate "loopholes" and told her how to file for a Hawaiian "Certificate of Delayed Birth" to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.
As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been "converted" later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” (long birth certificate) in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a "root document" of the famed “Certification of Live Birth” (short birth certificate on "Fight the Smears") we see today presented as "proof" of birth of Barack Hussein Obama II, reportedly in Hawaii (note: the abstract “Certification of Live Birth” certificate did not exist in Hawaii until November 2001).
I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of the Kenyan birth certificate itself, not knowing how or from whom Orly obtained the birth certificate (the chain of evidence). It may have been obtained quite surreptitiously from the only filed Kenyan birth certificate record copy requested -- likely generated from the 1964 divorce.
It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.
Good point. I was living in Hawaii when Statehood was passed by the Congress. It was a very big deal. As I recall, some time passed before Statehood became official, but anything that said "Territory of Hawaii" on it was suddenly out of fashion. This might not apply to court documents, but no one wanted a document with the old designation.
Also see this Post 1058
!!!!!Place marker!!!!!
Not likely. Google does this to sites that are conservative. I was told that they tried it with FR. Starwise says there are Google execs that sit on boards for Obama.
hmm
Bookmarked
Bump for later.
Thanks for the ping justice. Looks like people went crazy posting all night about the ‘new’ Kenyan ‘birth certificate’.
http://www.premiereradio.com/shows/view/live_on_sunday_night.html
Thank you!
The Constitution of the Republic of Kenya 1963 (as Amended to 2008)
CHAPTER I
The Republic of Kenya
1. Declaration of Republic.
Kenya is a sovereign Republic.
1A. Political system.
The Republic of Kenya shall be a multiparty democratic state.
[As amended by Act 9 of 1997, s. 2]
2. Public Seal.
The Public Seal of Kenya shall be such device as may be prescribed by or under an Act of
Parliament.
http://www.constitutionnet.org/en/vl/constitution-republic-kenya-1963-amended-2008
bttt
Thanks for the analogy, but I’m protected. Besides, I reported it and requested a review. The warning no longer appears.
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LOL...BTTT
What I suggested is official protocol. We and Kenya are signatories to a reciprocal agreement, they must respond with documents to prove or disprove officially. That the U.K. Gov may have original documents is secondary, and we would not, I think, go there as a first resort, it’s not diplomatically appropriate.
The authenticity of the document would come into question only if proof was shown that Book and Page and Registration numbers did not belong to 0bama II.
Of course, they could dance around it, but, a Republican Senator could hold up any funding for their Country, too. As well, if they did, and it did prove to be true, they would risk our ire in future dealings with our new POTUS.
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A Republican senator? I compliment you on your sense of humor.
Listening now, thanks for the heads up and link.
I AM SO SORRY! A friend on FR told me she read here on FR that Orly was going to be on Conningham show. So I spread the news on a few threads. Come to find out, Cunningham did not announce that Orly was to be on! I learned a lesson as I did not verify it before I spread the news! Sorry.
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