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Biological Big Bang: Another Explosion at the Dawn of Life (things couldn't be worse for Darwin!)
CEH ^ | July 23, 2009

Posted on 07/31/2009 2:08:23 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Biological Big Bang: Another Explosion at the Dawn of Life

July 23, 2009 — Eugene Koonin and two friends from the NIH went tree-hunting. They examined almost 7,000 genomes of prokaryotes. They found trees all right – a whole forest of them. They even found 102 NUTs (nearly universal trees) in the forest. Unfortunately, it’s not what they wanted to find: a single universal tree of life that Darwin’s theory requires. They had to seriously consider the question: was there a biological big bang?

Publishing in an open-access article in the Journal of Biology,[1] they began with the founding father’s vision: “The tree of life is, probably, the single dominating metaphor that permeates the discourse of evolutionary biology, from the famous single illustration in Darwin’s On the Origin of Species to 21st-century textbooks.” Alas, that 150-year-old icon must be dismantled. In their conclusion, they said, “the original tree of life concept is obsolete: it would not even be a 'tree of one percent'.”

What happened? It appears that horizontal gene transfer (HGT) has scrambled the genes in prokaryotes so much that any trace of common ancestry has been lost. This means that Darwin’s metaphor lacks empirical evidence. A fair-minded scientist would have to consider the possibility of a...

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To: GodGunsGuts

Yes, although like everything, the evidence is growing and, dare I say, evolving every day (after all, this is a science, not a religion, it is about studying and exploring).

Far too much information to post here but I suggest the book Molecular Systematics by David Hillis.


21 posted on 07/31/2009 3:11:33 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: GodGunsGuts
The neo-Darwinian so-called “tree of life” was used as “evidence” for common descent.

It is not used as evidence. It is a graphical representation of a concept. It is a way to take a highly complex idea and represent it in a way that is easier to process or understand.

22 posted on 07/31/2009 3:13:58 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: aft_lizard
"Where is your empirical evidence for creation or ID? Or whatever you want to call it now adays."

The wisdom of God.

23 posted on 07/31/2009 3:14:37 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I literally can’t argue against that.


24 posted on 07/31/2009 3:17:57 PM PDT by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Now that evolution is dead, secular humanism needs to follow.


25 posted on 07/31/2009 3:18:36 PM PDT by mjp (pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, independence, limited government, capitalism})
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To: Nathan Zachary
The more these evolutionists try to find some sort of proof to disprove god...

As a group, those who study evolution don't do so to 'disprove God', that's not the goal. The goal is to look at the world and study it. At that, you'll find many people who believe in evolution see no conflict at all with believing in God. The Bible tells us why God created the world, evidence in the world is the blueprint how. You may be shocked that Theistic Evolution is recognized by the Catholic Church and most mainstream Protestant churches. Even the Non-Denominational evangelical church I go to now recognizes Intelligent Design over the old Young Earth arguments (the same church I grew up in whose school taught me YEC when I was young).

26 posted on 07/31/2009 3:23:27 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
"The Bible, composed of the literature of mortal humans, says so. That’s proof enough, LOL!"

No, the bible is the inspired word of God. It is "literature" like no other. No one has been able to reproduce anything like it, because they aren't inspired by God to write in the kind of metaphor and divine symbolism unique to the scriptures- God ultimate language, much of which wasn't even understood by the faithful until it was revealed by Jesus. Likewise the unfaithful today can't see and understand it which is why they make silly statements like this. Their lack of faith blinds them.

27 posted on 07/31/2009 3:28:31 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
“God decided that he was incapable of forgiving us without a blood sacrifice. So, to protect us from himself, he sent the human version of himself to appease himself by sacrificing himself to himself to save us from himself.”

How would you counter the above inference?

28 posted on 07/31/2009 3:33:04 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: mnehring
"At that, you'll find many people who believe in evolution see no conflict at all with believing in God." Anything that conflicts with scripture is an error.

The Bible tells us why God created the world, evidence in the world is the blueprint how.

It also tells us how, and misinterpreted "evidence" that contradicts it is obviously error.

"You may be shocked that Theistic Evolution is recognized by the Catholic Church and most mainstream Protestant churches.

Recognized by some within these institutions, not all, and that doesn't make them right. These churches have been making some grave errors of late, caving in to the desires of the world rather than the word of the Lord. In fact scripture warms of this. ""Make sure that no one traps you and deprives you of your freedom by some secondhand, empty, rational philosophy based on the principles of this world instead of on Christ.">/i> Colossians 2:6-8

"This people honors me only with lip-service, while their hearts are far from me. The worship they offer me is worthless; the doctrines they teach are only human regulations." (Matt.15:8-9).

29 posted on 07/31/2009 3:40:02 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
"“God decided that he was incapable of forgiving us without a blood sacrifice. So, to protect us from himself, he sent the human version of himself to appease himself by sacrificing himself to himself to save us from himself.”

How would you counter the above inference?

Absolute rubbish written by someone who hasn't a clue what the purpose of Christ's coming was, and even a basic understanding of scripture itself.

30 posted on 07/31/2009 3:44:36 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Without the melodramatics, doesn’t the whole thing reduce to that, in essence? Yes, or no?


31 posted on 07/31/2009 3:48:37 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: mnehring
"Even the Non-Denominational evangelical church I go to now recognizes Intelligent Design over the old Young Earth arguments"...

They also think Christ is going to come and rule for a thousand years, therefore making his first visit and abject failure to establish his kingdom and divine authority over the entire world and universe.

Many are is direct conflict with scripture, or are fulfilling what it prophesizes, such as: "This people honors me only with lip-service, while their hearts are far from me. The worship they offer me is worthless; the doctrines they teach are only human regulations." (Matt.15:8-9).

Jesus commanded us to test all ministers by their fruits.
He has instructed that we compare every theological tenant we are asked to believe against the commandments of the Gospel He preached.

Therefore we have been empowered by none other than God, Himself, to draw our own conclusions and to disbelieve the teaching of any minster that tries to lead us astray.

Jesus did not do away with ministers because without them there could be no baptism and no spread of the faith. But He made their authority subservient to the Gospel.
In the process, He took away their teaching credentials -- because now there is only one teacher- his Gospel. Jesus made two things abundantly clear: First, obedience to the Gospel comes before anything or anybody. And second, there is no salvation in the Law (i.e., there is no salvation in theology). The ministers can baptize us, but their philosophies cannot save us.

32 posted on 07/31/2009 3:55:34 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
"Without the melodramatics, doesn’t the whole thing reduce to that, in essence? Yes, or no?"

Melodramatics?

Clearly you haven't a clue what "the whole thing" is symbolic of. is climatic to, and expands, not "reduces" to encompass.

33 posted on 07/31/2009 4:04:15 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

It is insulting garbage written by an idiot to be consumed by other idiots.


34 posted on 07/31/2009 4:16:57 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: mnehring

Seems there are several now that believe themselves more firmly connected to the mind of God than any others, and even a GW ‘believer’ joins the fray.


35 posted on 07/31/2009 4:23:12 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Onelifetogive
My sister had one of these when we were growing up. Noisy little creature, crapped all over its cage, made a huge mess with its seeds...

The Eukaryotes are even worse.

36 posted on 07/31/2009 4:25:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: mnehring

Aw, come on. Everyone knows that’s one of those ‘crop circles’.


37 posted on 07/31/2009 4:27:33 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
That HGT really ruins the party. It's like trying to check everyone’s I.D. when they've been trading name tags. Yep, they all might be from the same school but who is related and on and on.
38 posted on 07/31/2009 4:32:29 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Paradox

“This reminds me of the GW deniers, who think that every little bit of anti-Global Warming evidence is proof that the entire science is about to fall. This just isn’t the case, sorry.”

You should get out more. The momentum is building about the real story of the earth’s climate.

Here’s an example:
http://climatedepot.com/a/2248/Update-Scientist-Accuses-
American-Chemical-Society-Editor-of-censoring-of-articles-and-letters-that-reject-manmade-global-warming-claims

“A vast number of members are very upset with the lack of complete and balanced coverage of the AGW issue and the continued censoring of articles and letters by [editor] Rudy Baum that do not support the theory of catastrophic global warming caused by CO2 emissions from man’s use of petroleum and coal. “


39 posted on 07/31/2009 4:36:02 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: webstersII
Oops. Here's the corrected link.

Link to article about American Chemical Society

40 posted on 07/31/2009 4:39:51 PM PDT by webstersII
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