Posted on 07/30/2009 8:35:25 PM PDT by Edward Watson
The entire birther argument, that Obama was actually born in Kenya instead of the US, making him ineligible for holding the office of the President of the US, is a spurious argument. It plays into Obama and the liberals hands - they want this to continue since it makes regular conservatives and opponents into fringe wackos.
Not one of us would've looked harder at his legitimacy than Hilary Clinton and the entire Clinton smear machine during the Democratic primaries. That magic bullet would've given Hilary the presidency - and yet nada, bupkis.
There are many valid reasons to oppose Obama and the liberals, but his birthplace isn't one of them.
The burden of proof that required credentials are real is on the job applicant, not on the employer.
He should have released all this as a matter of propriety (as Kerry should have released all his military records) but he is not legally required to do so.
At this point it is moot, he is President. These were indications as to his future performance as President. Now we know what he is like as President.
They have been produced. The Certification of Live Birth provided by the State of Hawaii states his place of birth as "Honolulu" at 7:24pm on August 4, 1961 and this has been corroborated as correct by Hawaii officials. Again, is it your assertion that they have produced a false document for Obama and are backing it up by lying about it?
I see I've gotten under your skin. :-)
Excellent.
You want to know what to call "them" if not birthers...How about Americans that have questions about the legit. of Obama's right to be president... You can use the lefts vocabulary all you want, its just as stupid a word as homophobe..
“And still, the main documentation that will settle this critical constitutional matter remains sealed. “
The main documentation, it’s out there. The COLB ...
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
plus this ...
“I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen,” Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino
... validates that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii and so closes the Constitutional related question.
The other questions about Obama’s past are not eligibility related.
And so too is the Intelligent Design (ID) debate -- in fact, I find a very strong correlation between those who deride ID and those who deride Birthers.
I find the underlying driving psychology for anti-birtherism is an extreme discomfort to and intolerance to the idea that the Establishment could fail so massively.
Whereas in the other two I recognize that same reactionary uproar to the idea in a massive failure of the Establishment is the major dynamic for most people - but in those two there is a potent minority driven by a different dynamic -- atheism! Denial of G-d.
That implies that there is also a potent minority dynamic in the anti-Birther movement too. Of course it is so!
And that motive is very similar -- it is to make man god or god-like. To make a Supreme Godhead-like Leader. In instant case: Obama.
Interesting stuff!
Source?
If you prefer to believe that 0bama was born in the US, fine. Just be sure to respect the opinions of those who require a higher, reasonable standard of proof than yourself.
Trained to be scoffer, you are! Turn back to the the good side of the force, young Jedi!
Thanks. I read that when it first came out and walked away more confused than ever. Some people even took it as a signal from her that there IS no long form BC on file, simply because she didn’t mention it. Weird.
No, he isn't. He is a joke. He is a pathetic wannabe who can't even get nominated as the Constipation party candidate. He is as relevant as whale oil, and as needed as the Edsel. He is as popular as New Coke and and as popular as the XFL. As Monty Python would say "He is an ex-parrot"
The newspaper announcement you refer to doesn't say where he was born, just that he was born. That is not in dispute. I've seen him and he was most definitely born.
Do you think you could get any government job by providing a newspaper clipping?
I know him. He’s a great man, in all the ways that count.
Wrong. The documentation produced by Hawaii, and verified as correct by them, definitively states his place of birth as "Honolulu", which is on US soil.
So, you’re a real newbie here. Are you on the payroll of the Obama faction?
Because lots of Dems are dumb and shameless.
People inclined to vote Republican tend to have more delicate sensibilities (for better or worse), most notably a sense of shame. Its easier to keep Republicans home, which is why most elections truly hinge on Republican turnout.
Is this unfair ? Well, so it is. Thats life.
Burden of proof is on the birthers, and just like the truthers, they have no proof, just a bunch of theories. Prove your assertion, don't ask others to disprove you, you sound like a moon hoaxer.
“Source? “
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