Posted on 07/27/2009 11:12:35 AM PDT by Danae
Ok here is a theory.
To preface what follows, I was born in Hawaii in 1969. I have both my long form BC and my COLB from that state.
My COLB was printed for me at my mothers request in a letter that was received (and confirmed by computer records by the Vital Stats office in the Hawaiian Dept of Health in Honolulu) and my COLB that I received should have had the date of Mar.6 2000. It states Mar. 6 2007 (!).
Stick with me through what follows.
Lets just say that in 2007 when Barry was really getting into running for President that he was facing some questions from the black community, which was indeed the case. The question in the black community was this: Is he black enough? Barry is 50% white, 44% Arab and 6% Black from the breakdown that I have repeatedly seen. So the black community isn’t sure they can support this guy because he is half white, and we have all heard the condescension that Black people have given to mulatto children. Certainly in my lifetime I can remember some rather racist black kids riding the mulatto kids I knew. Barry is most definitely Mulatto.
Ok so he has a problem with convincing the Black community to support him, and he NEEDS their support, and that of ACORN, the two go hand in hand.
So, Barry goes back to Hawaii on vacation, visits grandma. Grandma is VERY well connected in Honolulu. You don’t get to the position of VP of Hawaii’s largest bank and NOT be connected. In Hawaii connections are everything. With connections, you can do just about anything, a favor is a favor, and Grandma likely had more than just a few to pull in. Thats just how the islands work. I am not going to try and explain it more than that, it would take too long. But I have connected family on Kauai to this day, so let’s just stipulate that I know what I am talking about.
Back to the story. Barry needs to solidly convince a lot of Black people that he has the creds to run from the Black community, to counter his detractors on the whole Black enough issue.
A COLB stating African would do that pretty convincingly. Grandma pulls a few strings and gets Barry a COLB that states African, and is actually a real document from the State of Hawaii because it indeed came from there, but under some false circumstances. Mainly that his race was African, when clearly it wasn’t, he had a White Mother. If anything, original COLB would have said Negro or Black. That might not be enough to counter the white half of his genetic make up in the Black Community, but stating “AFRICAN” WOULD. But I don’t think hid long form says Negro or Black, I think it classifies him as Caucasian.
So it is a “legit” document that was printed under false circumstances. I am theorizing that it was printed by someone in the Vital Statistics Office, but as my OWN COLB shows, by the messed up date, that anyone who knew how to do it could have printed one up with the information of choice, then put the seal on it folded it, and sent it on its way. The Date stamp on the Fact Check Document has the date stamp above Onaka’s name, which could only have been printed in the snail mail order room, like mine is. It is ALSO a separate room. There are three printing Machines in that office which could have been used, the front desk, which has a date stamper to the Side of Onaka’s stamp (also printed by the machines at the same time as the rest of the Document is printed), and the internet order area, which also has the stamp to the side, and the oldest machine, which has the date ABOVE Onaka’s stamp. Now I know this because while I was confirming the order date of my own COLB I did a little digging, and the clerk was very informative and helpful. Obama got a COLB that was printed in the Mail Order’s separate room. If it was ordered at the front desk, then it would have been printed there, not in the snail mail room, unless someone was going to change some of the info on it and wanted to conceal that...
Now is the date on the back of the fact check document on or about the same as one of his vacations to the Islands? I was told that it can take up to a month to process orders, but I think he likely got it handed to him on or about the same time he or Grandma ordered it. In reality that doesn’t matter, Grandma could have pulled strings at any time and had it mailed to him.
Now, because the COLB that Barry has is legit looking, all he has to do is make sure his Long Form Birth Certificate NEVER sees the light of day, and that his school records and financial aid applications never see the light of day either. Why? Because his Long form would say that he is Caucasian, and his school records/financial aid, under his Barry Soetoro name show him to be a foreigner from Indonesia. I could go into the whole Immigration status thing, which I do think has some validity to it, and certainly has not been looked at by a Court AS OF YET, so I will leave that alone for now, it could well be he is a citizen, but because of dual citizenship issues, he is not a Natural Born citizen.
But I digress.
OK so he now has his Black enough Street creds, and a “legit” COLB, he should be in the clear right? Only if you assume that the COLB he has was gotten in 2007 was 100% legit, and I have proof that a COLB can have incorrect information in it - Because MINE DOES.
Some time ago, I remember reading that Barry’s lawyer that had seen the document said that he was indeed born in Hawaii, but that his records contained information that would be “embarrassing”. Is Caucasian embarrassing enough? Is lying to the Black Community enough? Is gaining their support with a lie embarrassing enough? Do you think it possible that once this information became public, with the release of a Long Form BC stating he was Caucasian, that the black community would become apathetic to him in part or in whole?
Add to this, Barry describes his grandmother as the rock of his family, as well as describing her as “afraid of Black men”, do you think that she, with her connections, her strength of charachter, and a wayward 17 year old daughter having shown some poor decision making in the recent past from Grandma’s perspective, could have required that her daughter state the race of her child as accurately being predominately white, which he is? I do indeed think so.
Folks, I think that Barry may well have been born in Hawaii, solid evidence of some other place being missing, that he was registered with the office of Vital Statistics as being Caucasian. He states in his book that he HAD all his birth records at one time, why would he need a new COLB in 2007 if that’s the case? Because he needed one that would gain him the support of the Black Community, and indeed they got a real live “African” even better!!
So if this theory is true, do you think that come 2011 that the black community is going to be as fired up about their lying Mulatto pretending to “African” status? Ummm hummmm.
Do you think they would have supported him as strongly as they did in 2008 as a mostly white guy?? As the messiah? As the ONE? I don’t think so. I could be wrong on that... But I don’t think so. Perceptions matter sometimes, and there is a world of difference in perceiving Barry as African and White. All the difference in the world to the Black Community, enough to win the Presidency.
Remember, he only won by a few percentage points. His electoral numbers came from fewer total states that had higher numbers of Blacks in the population.
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Tear the theory apart please!
Nah, I will more or less wait and post up that 2000 receipt that proves my asertions ;)
Good work. Mysteries are so interesting, aren’t they?
What kind of blew me away was how open and pleasant the Hawaiian clerks have been on the calls, trying their best to accomodate. Surely they have been inundated? ... Well, with the fifth column enemedia like Tingles Matthews, Klunk Olberman, Johnathan Altar, Shill O’Reilly, and CNN management, I guess that was a silly notion.
Sorry it took so long to reply. Wrap my schedule around the baby. But in answer to your question, yes, the state of Hawaii does use IBM DB2.
I was flabbergasted this morning when I saw how Danae was being attacked for trying to do what we are all trying to do, which is to understand why obama will not release his pertinent documents and put this issue to rest.
I was trying to figure out why Danae would have received a birth document with a 2001 date on it in 2000. So I went hunting:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Official+document+revisions&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
I found this:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/cmgmt/v8r4m0/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.administeringddm.doc/ddmlc106.htm
Then I checked to see if Hawaii used IBM DB2 and found that it does.
THEN, I checked a few other states’ official documents and found that some docs were in use up to 7 months before the official dates on the docs, while going through the drafting process, but I didn’t have time to post it when I found it because the baby was up and she doesn’t like to be kept waiting no way, no how.
What they did was schedule the revision on a certain date to be put into effect by a specific date in the future. However they did not wait until the official date to begin using the revisions they wanted in place because it had no effect on the legality of the document.
This is the first chance I have had to update my info.
NOW, I am not positive whether it is a revision number or a date, but regardless, it seems to be within the same timeframe as other docs I saw from other states.
There are variants as to the revise dates. Most specify it is a date, and others use MM/DD the 4 digit year. So the rev.11/01 on this doc is ambiguous. Clarification by Hawaii is probably the only way to prove it one way or the other, but I still find it hard to believe that Danae would suddenly become an agent provocateur just to embarrass herself OR Polarik.
MHG, thanks for updating me. I appreciate it.
Thank you.
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makes as much sense as anything else involved with this
It looks like we’ll have a free-for-all shakeout, sooner than I anticipated.
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Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:04:59 PM by Technical Editor
You are the person to ask this question of:
Does your COLB say accepted by the registrar or filed by the registrar?
Wasn’t there a similiar issue on Obamanazi’s selective service registration with people trying to interpret when the form was revised because it looked like he was using a form not in existance at the time?
I don’t know whatever happened with that.
The thread you posted has been “pulled” and says “Under Review”.
What the heck is going on here anyway?
OK. I did an around-about search and found the information from “Loren” that you were attempting to post here, although the title of someone to “meet” isn’t exactly the same.
It’s very eyebrow raising. To say the least.
Are they saying that I swiped his identity, now? I’ve heard this before. The trolls have been saying for a year now that I have a phony PhD, but this guy’s got a real one.
I don’t see anything on document forensics either, but I’ve never claimed to be an expert in document forensics. Sandra Lines IS an expert in document forensics and she’s supported my findings.
Actually folks, I don’t have a PhD. I also never went to college, and I dropped out of pre-school. Feel better now?
It says “Date Filled By Registrar”
Someone had a theory that accepted by registrar as was on another COLB is different than filed by registrar.
Apparently, not the smoking gun if yours says filed by registrar.
Nothing (0) happened with it. It ended after a blitz of whens, ifs, and maybes, like everything else about the 0.
I remember going to the OMB OR OBM..(can’t remember )site and trying to figure out when that form was enacted and not understanding the difference in dates in what I was seeing on the site..but maybe the explanation is the one we see here where the form was being used before the official date.
I don’t even really remember the time difference. Just know I couldn’t come up with an answer.
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