Posted on 07/27/2009 11:12:35 AM PDT by Danae
Ok here is a theory.
To preface what follows, I was born in Hawaii in 1969. I have both my long form BC and my COLB from that state.
My COLB was printed for me at my mothers request in a letter that was received (and confirmed by computer records by the Vital Stats office in the Hawaiian Dept of Health in Honolulu) and my COLB that I received should have had the date of Mar.6 2000. It states Mar. 6 2007 (!).
Stick with me through what follows.
Lets just say that in 2007 when Barry was really getting into running for President that he was facing some questions from the black community, which was indeed the case. The question in the black community was this: Is he black enough? Barry is 50% white, 44% Arab and 6% Black from the breakdown that I have repeatedly seen. So the black community isn’t sure they can support this guy because he is half white, and we have all heard the condescension that Black people have given to mulatto children. Certainly in my lifetime I can remember some rather racist black kids riding the mulatto kids I knew. Barry is most definitely Mulatto.
Ok so he has a problem with convincing the Black community to support him, and he NEEDS their support, and that of ACORN, the two go hand in hand.
So, Barry goes back to Hawaii on vacation, visits grandma. Grandma is VERY well connected in Honolulu. You don’t get to the position of VP of Hawaii’s largest bank and NOT be connected. In Hawaii connections are everything. With connections, you can do just about anything, a favor is a favor, and Grandma likely had more than just a few to pull in. Thats just how the islands work. I am not going to try and explain it more than that, it would take too long. But I have connected family on Kauai to this day, so let’s just stipulate that I know what I am talking about.
Back to the story. Barry needs to solidly convince a lot of Black people that he has the creds to run from the Black community, to counter his detractors on the whole Black enough issue.
A COLB stating African would do that pretty convincingly. Grandma pulls a few strings and gets Barry a COLB that states African, and is actually a real document from the State of Hawaii because it indeed came from there, but under some false circumstances. Mainly that his race was African, when clearly it wasn’t, he had a White Mother. If anything, original COLB would have said Negro or Black. That might not be enough to counter the white half of his genetic make up in the Black Community, but stating “AFRICAN” WOULD. But I don’t think hid long form says Negro or Black, I think it classifies him as Caucasian.
So it is a “legit” document that was printed under false circumstances. I am theorizing that it was printed by someone in the Vital Statistics Office, but as my OWN COLB shows, by the messed up date, that anyone who knew how to do it could have printed one up with the information of choice, then put the seal on it folded it, and sent it on its way. The Date stamp on the Fact Check Document has the date stamp above Onaka’s name, which could only have been printed in the snail mail order room, like mine is. It is ALSO a separate room. There are three printing Machines in that office which could have been used, the front desk, which has a date stamper to the Side of Onaka’s stamp (also printed by the machines at the same time as the rest of the Document is printed), and the internet order area, which also has the stamp to the side, and the oldest machine, which has the date ABOVE Onaka’s stamp. Now I know this because while I was confirming the order date of my own COLB I did a little digging, and the clerk was very informative and helpful. Obama got a COLB that was printed in the Mail Order’s separate room. If it was ordered at the front desk, then it would have been printed there, not in the snail mail room, unless someone was going to change some of the info on it and wanted to conceal that...
Now is the date on the back of the fact check document on or about the same as one of his vacations to the Islands? I was told that it can take up to a month to process orders, but I think he likely got it handed to him on or about the same time he or Grandma ordered it. In reality that doesn’t matter, Grandma could have pulled strings at any time and had it mailed to him.
Now, because the COLB that Barry has is legit looking, all he has to do is make sure his Long Form Birth Certificate NEVER sees the light of day, and that his school records and financial aid applications never see the light of day either. Why? Because his Long form would say that he is Caucasian, and his school records/financial aid, under his Barry Soetoro name show him to be a foreigner from Indonesia. I could go into the whole Immigration status thing, which I do think has some validity to it, and certainly has not been looked at by a Court AS OF YET, so I will leave that alone for now, it could well be he is a citizen, but because of dual citizenship issues, he is not a Natural Born citizen.
But I digress.
OK so he now has his Black enough Street creds, and a “legit” COLB, he should be in the clear right? Only if you assume that the COLB he has was gotten in 2007 was 100% legit, and I have proof that a COLB can have incorrect information in it - Because MINE DOES.
Some time ago, I remember reading that Barry’s lawyer that had seen the document said that he was indeed born in Hawaii, but that his records contained information that would be “embarrassing”. Is Caucasian embarrassing enough? Is lying to the Black Community enough? Is gaining their support with a lie embarrassing enough? Do you think it possible that once this information became public, with the release of a Long Form BC stating he was Caucasian, that the black community would become apathetic to him in part or in whole?
Add to this, Barry describes his grandmother as the rock of his family, as well as describing her as “afraid of Black men”, do you think that she, with her connections, her strength of charachter, and a wayward 17 year old daughter having shown some poor decision making in the recent past from Grandma’s perspective, could have required that her daughter state the race of her child as accurately being predominately white, which he is? I do indeed think so.
Folks, I think that Barry may well have been born in Hawaii, solid evidence of some other place being missing, that he was registered with the office of Vital Statistics as being Caucasian. He states in his book that he HAD all his birth records at one time, why would he need a new COLB in 2007 if that’s the case? Because he needed one that would gain him the support of the Black Community, and indeed they got a real live “African” even better!!
So if this theory is true, do you think that come 2011 that the black community is going to be as fired up about their lying Mulatto pretending to “African” status? Ummm hummmm.
Do you think they would have supported him as strongly as they did in 2008 as a mostly white guy?? As the messiah? As the ONE? I don’t think so. I could be wrong on that... But I don’t think so. Perceptions matter sometimes, and there is a world of difference in perceiving Barry as African and White. All the difference in the world to the Black Community, enough to win the Presidency.
Remember, he only won by a few percentage points. His electoral numbers came from fewer total states that had higher numbers of Blacks in the population.
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Tear the theory apart please!
“problem is, black voters can’t win or lose a national election by themselves.
the correct question should be, would whites have voted for obama had they known he was white ?”
The race was so close in reality that I do think that the overwhelming support Obama got from the black community DID have just that effect. You really do have to go on a county by county basis. I am no electoral number cruncher, so I can’t say for sure, but given what I do know it seems possible to me that it made enough of a difference to give him the states he had to have to win.
Onaka is correctly Spelled. Alvin T Onaka PhD. is the State Registrar who’s name appears on my COLB as well as Obama’s COLB. Right below the date that the document was printed on. Or was supposed to be printed on considering mine was misprinted as a 2007 document when it should have said 2000.
Sorry for the confusion. I skipped some information that I considered already known in the effort to reduce the length of the post.
Bingo!
Maybe the dog ate it? sarc/
:)
Sorry I didn’t notice the same person who was messaging me was the same one who wrote the original article.
“There IS no birth certificate anymore. It does not exist. An electronic record exists.”
You may be misinterpreting a statement by Hawaii regarding its shift in record-keeping practices. However, even if your statement is true, your point adds nothing of substance to the discussion.
“Only Congress can determine if he fails to qualify, and only when it counts the Electoral Votes.”
Now here we disagree.
“If the Electoral College elects Mickey Mouse and the Congress accepts such an election is the nation bound by that finding, or may Congress subsequently take action to correct the Constitutional defect?
The biggest part of this shell game is that Obama and his operatives have convinced most of America that we have the burden of proving O is unqualified. While at the same time they have “sealed” and in one instance forged the very record that would be used for such purpose.
It is exactly the opposite, O has always had the burden of proving he is qualified. He acknowledged that burden when he signed or arranged for his agent(s) to sign each state’s primary election certification that he was qualified/eligible for the office of the president. Such execution was made, of course, under penalty of perjury.
Later, during the January 8, 2009 Joint Session called solely for the purpose of assuring America that the election was conducted properly, Obama had the burden of satisfying any request by Congress to demonstrate his citizenship (see 20th Amendment, “…if the President elect shall have failed to qualify…” as well as 3 USC 15).
Every liberal I have argued with has conceded that if Congress had required such prior to accepting the work of the Electoral College, Obama was obligated to produce, or to authorize Hawaii to produce, a verifiably authentic BC.
Should Congress have requested that document?
Without question, particularly in the face of the substantial pre-election concern and outrage transmitted to Congress over the fact that there was absolutely nothing in the public record that demonstrated O was a U.S. citizen.
He may be qualified, but there is no reason to believe so and Congress had a duty to the nation to act on the issue.
Which is why I have previously stated that every single Republican in Congress was seduced into going limp and sitting on their hands during the Session.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2296931/posts
That is my my contention as well.
Reason #1 you don't name a girl "Stanley." I'm referring to her father, Stanley, Sr. Someone else said that in the 60's, free love between blacks and whites was common amongst the communist thinkers. It's something to consider...
You might have a good point there.
Your screed made no sense at all until I read it into my micro-casette recorder and then played it backwards. now it is as clear as an un-muddied stream....paul is dead.
Knowing a lot of people is all it would have taken. Just because someone is connected does NOT mean they have some outrageous seniority or something. I know my contact in Hawaii is NOT some executive, nor has ever been. But I can tell you this, if I wanted to accomplish something in Hawaii that bent a few laws I know exactly who I would need to talk to first. Its about trust in an insular community. It has nothing to do with ranking seniority.
The point is, she didn’t get to her position over night, regardless of how “high” up she was. She did it over time and in that time would have made lots of friends acquaintances, for whom she may have done favors even if it was only babysitting their kids. This is just how it works in the Islands. Keep in mind we are talking about a place in which you can drive around the perimeter of the island in just a few hours. Oahu is SMALL! You go from town to town in the blink of an eye, literally. Kailua is less than 20 min form Honolu on the Poly Frwy. and that is considered a long distance.
I am sorry that this may be confusing. Hawaii is a very different place than the mainland, and things work differently there. The entire society works differently there. Believe me, I struggled with the differences when my family and I moved to the mainland in the late 70’s.
Exactly my point. He said in his book that he had all his birth records. Why need a new COLB if he had them at the time he printed his book?
That is one of those things floating around the Internet that is unfounded. How could they tell? What's their evidence? Do you really think that they went back through Obama's Kenyan ancestors and found that 88% of them were Arabs? Or is it more likely that somebody pulled those numbers out of their ...
Try re- reading it. Nutshell version: Obama had a COLB forged for him that states his race as African in order to get the support of the Black community. Which to that point had been questioning voting for him (see the race he lost in Illonis in 2000) on the issue of his being “Black enough”. So he gets his new COLB with the race listed as AFRICAN.
Its still forgery and may implicate the State of Hawaii which may be why Gov. Linda Lingle sealed his Long form Birth Certificate for him the last time he went to the islands for Grandma’s illness, broken hip I think it was. The Gov. sealed his records after that saying that they would not be released.
At this point I believe that only a subpoena would get that long form released, and then I think Obama’s lawyers might challenge even that. Surely they have fought everything else.
I will freely admit that I do not know his parentage on his father’s side. 100% I don’t know that for sure. All I do know is that he is half white, had a big issue in getting elected in Chicago and Illonis on the issue of being Black enough. Having a COLB saying African, would have given him a lot more crediblity in that community. Regardless of how much black/Arab blood he had. The question was being asked by the voters, “is he black enough?” So he answered the question with a COLB that said he was. I think that COLB is not a document that matches what it says on his birth certificate which makes it an issue of forgery, and certainly a bald faced lie to the community he was wooing. Perhaps up to and including winning the presidency he otherwise might have lost due to the “Black Enough” question. No one will ever be able to say for sure if it did effect the outcome or not. The point is, he still got a fake document produced, and lied his butt off. That might well leave an “Embarrassing” mark.
Oh, thank you.
That’s not the picture I saw. I’m looking for it, but it’s probably been scrubbed. This was perhaps later in the day, near their cars, taken from a long distance by a photographer they were unaware was shooting the pictures. I saw it earlier this spring, and sure wish I’d bookmarked it or something. I’ll post the link here if I find it.
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