That's using the assumption that we'll have enough money to still be considered a sovereign nation by November 2010.
Based upon what we've since January 2009, how do you think these charts will look when the new Congress is sworn in on January 2011?
Posted on 07/15/2009 5:37:44 AM PDT by buggy02
A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office. His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has rescinded his impending deployment orders. "We won! We won before we even arrived," she said with excitement. "It means that the military has nothing to show for Obama. It means that the military has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate – and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the order!" She continued, "They just said, 'Order revoked.' No explanation. No reasons – just revoked."
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Maybe I should have used “...is more or less challenging the authenticity of the authority at the top of the chain; not the order itself.”
I don’t think the Tolly-bon would abide by the Geneva Convention protections anyway but his point is still made.
through the impeachment process.
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If a person has failed to qualify to president, he can’t be president. Only a president can be impeached. It isn’t possible to impeach someone who can’t be president.
actually my comment was a bit of a head nod/reference to the movie Stripes, where the commanding officer of the base was reassigned to a weather station in Alaska.
If it were Cricket, Minnesota would have a new U.S. Senate election too.
That's using the assumption that we'll have enough money to still be considered a sovereign nation by November 2010.
Actually, in strict terms, the rule of law was followed in the Clinton impeachment. The Senate did not find that the crimes rose to the level of impeachment, although a lot of us disagreed: we wanted him removed from office. (However, I’ve often wondered whether that would that have guaranteed a Gore Presidency.)
Later, the Courts found him guilty and he was disbarred in Arkansas. Again, some of us were rooting for jail time - at least as long as Martha Stewart got for allegedly lying to the FBI.
YET THE MILITARY RESCINDED HIS ORDER TO DEPLOY.
This is the Big KABOOM that starts it all.
You like to think that, but in actual fact the good major is questioning his orders, not the Constitution. He says he won't follow orders, unless a court rules that Obama is authorized to give them. It's a very cute point... but it is not the military's job to make it.
There was a reason our founders wanted the president to be a natural born citizen.
The Founders were also well aware of the dangers of a military whose power and control lay outside the control of the civilian leadership. Indeed, civilian control is the founding principle of the US military.
One implication of this lawsuit is the assumption that the military (not just this one soldier) has a right to question its orders in this manner. In a very real sense it places the military somewhat outside the control of its civilian leadership.
The "Big KABOOM" is nothing more than the military recognizing and acting on the fact that this particular officer has demonstrated his unfitness for duty.
Speaking of the reds....isn't it ironic that the biggest Trojan Horse Kruschev could've ever imagined, a near pure commie in the White House....does nothing but appoint "Czars" everywhere to control the country?
> Speaking of the reds....isn’t it ironic that the biggest Trojan Horse Kruschev could’ve ever imagined, a near pure commie in the White House....does nothing but appoint “Czars” everywhere to control the country?
And he isn’t even ashamed to call them Czars, and nobody even blinks at this.
Next his Czars will commission Apparats, and hire Komissars. And nobody will even blink.
How long before he rolls out his first Five Year Plan?
> I don’t think God would be that merciful to this nation.
Well, those atheists who are suing to block “In God We Trust” from being engraved on that Washington building must surely be trying the Almighty’s patience with America.
Uh...I'm afraid that's what's being voted on in the house this week under the guise of "govt healthcare".
Whoa. That’s scary...
Amen.
“The problem with a court martial is that doing so gives tools for compulsion to the accused. It’d be interesting if he were to subpoena the documents in question.”
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.
What will be even more interesting is how other soldiers respond. Will the floodgates open?
Wow, that post 189 is chilling. I don’t know what to say. RinaseaofDs, I hope you don’t mind if I copy your post here:
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“The Army, upon receiving the restraining order, couldn’t wait to pull the Major’s heart out through his rectum.
This is a slam dunk case for the Army’s lawyer - satisfy the Major’s requirement that the order’s came from a legitimate NCA, and then decide whether to put the Major on a plane, or in the brig.
Army’s lawyer calls the Pentagon’s liason to the WH, and requests that BHO provide his birth certificate. Fax it, scan it, messenger a notorized copy from HI to the Army base in HI, and set up a conference call with that base’s legal officer, and the case is over. Four hours total, two days tops, to clear this thing and then ensure that the Major retires a Major, or perhaps something lower.
Army’s lawyer gets the following in response:
Rescind the order.
Army’s lawyer is probably speechless, wondering what to say to something like that, because the ramifications of that are nothing less than:
“If I just heard the WH correctly, no officer holding a commission will be expected to follow any order by force of UCMJ, because if they won’t prosecute the Major, and respond instead to rescinding his order, then it means any officer who pulls this stunt can expect the same treatment.”
Now the Army lawyer is starting to feel a bit dizzy, knowing that there are ballistic missile submarines and missile silos - all commanded by officers - who will now either follow or not follow their orders - anybody’s guess on whether they will or won’t, because if they don’t on these grounds, they Pentagon will RESCIND the order.
All of this to say the following chilling thing:
There is no longer legitimate National Command Authority in the United States of America. If you refuse to follow a direct order, on the grounds of that order coming from an illegal CINC, then you go away scot free: order rescinded.
As of today, we now have a Constitutional crisis.”
You seem happy about the prospect of mutiny....
And by the way, it does amaze me that military folks on here believe this guy must serve a fraudulent traitor no matter what.
I believe that this guy is confused about the difference between national security and his personal political beliefs. The rationale for being in Afghanistan is the same as it was before Obama became president -- the reason for his orders has nothing to do with who is president now.
All this guy wants is proof that this loser meets CIC eligibility requirements. That is all.
No, it's not "all." What he wants to do, whether he realizes it or not, is to establish a precedent for the military questioning the authority of its military chain of command ... for any reason, not just this one. The consequences of that process would be very ugly: a politicized military playing a role in vetting their commander in chief. Ask the ancient Romans how that worked out....
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