Posted on 06/30/2009 9:32:47 AM PDT by wbones8765
What might the phrase natural-born citizen of the United States imply under the U.S. Constitution? The phrase has always been obscure due to the lack of any single authoritative source to confer in order to understand the condition of citizenship the phrase recognizes. Learning what the phrase might have meant following the Declaration of Independence, and the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, requires detective work. As with all detective work, eliminating the usual suspects from the beginning goes a long way in quickly solving a case.
What Natural-Born Citizen Could Not Mean
Could a natural-born citizen simply mean citizenship due to place of birth?
Unlikely in the strict sense because we know one can be native born and yet not a native born citizen of this country prior to the year 1866. There were even disputes whether anyone born within the District of Columbia or in the territories were born citizens of the United States (they were generally referred to as inhabitants instead.) National Government could make no territorial allegiance demands within the several States because as Madison explained it, the powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.
Jurisdiction over citizenship via birth within the several States was part of the ordinary course of affairs of the States that only local laws could affect. Early acts of Naturalization recognized the individual State Legislatures as the only authority who could make anyone a citizen of a State. Framer James Wilson said, a citizen of the United States is he, who is a citizen of at least some one state in the Union.
(Excerpt) Read more at federalistblog.us ...
My Father was in the United States Army, My Mother was Japanese who received her citizenship, a year before I was born./Just Asking - seoul62.....
In 1962 I was sitting in a classroom on a US military base, being told that you, along with a substantial number of my Marine and Navy Brat classmates, are not Constitutionally qualified to be the president.
The "real" answer is (cue eerie creepy voice) no. one. knows...
Source please?
The McCaskill bill never made it to law, it's only a 'sense of the senate'.
Let's side step into an alternate universe for a second.
Do you seriously think that the same people who when they lost insisted that the election was stolen, he was selected, not elected, he's not my president, etc. would have passively gone along with having a foreign born RINO in the White House?
We'd never hear the end of it!
Nope. If anyone in power really believed that Claire McCaskill wouldn't have felt compelled to introduce a bill to green-light McCain.
(And friends of 0bama wouldn't have felt the need to try to expand that to include 'any descendent of anyone who served in the US military').
Of course.
Born in Kenya would not meet this criteria,
From what I've read, that's probably correct, given the fact that his father was not a US citizen and his mom may have been too young to pass on citizenship under the law at the time (but I could be wrong).
nor would changing to Indonesian citizenship as a child to school in Indonesia.
You can't "change" your American citizenship without approval from the US. Whether or not he was a citizen of Indonesia can't change his NBC status.
WHEN will we see his original birth certificate?
Never, unless hbe is ordered to present it by a court of competent jurisdiction, or unless some state requires such evidence for him to get on its ballot in 2012.
WHERE was he born in Hawaii if he werent born in Kenya?
A hospital in Honululu, AFAIK.
Yeah. A bastard. A politician who's a bastard? HORRORS!!!
Nobody cares, as long as he's an AMERICAN bastard.
Hebrews 7:3
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
I can't speak as to what McCaskill though he was doing with that bill.
In the first place it wasn't a bill, it was a non-binding resolution - S.Res.511. In the second place, the resolution got the circumstances of McCain's birth wrong - he wasn't born on a military base - so it's basically worthless. It's saying McCain is eligible because of circumstances he didn't meet.
And yet it hasn't helped you one bit, since you ignore all the counter arguments to your statement.
Source please?
No hospital has stepped forward to claim the honor.
0bama has named two separate hospitals as his place of birth.
No Hawaiian official has ever said that the original birth certificate on file shows Hawaiian birth, only that the document is on file in accordance with Hawaii law.
Laws of the State of Hawaii explicitly allow a foreign born child to have an Hawaiian birth certificate showing Hawaii as the place of birth.
$10, $10, and 0bama can have a real certified copy of his BC mailed to any independent media outlet.
So far he's allowed his minions to waste pushing $1,000,000.00 to keep anyone from seeing his real records.
Smoke. Fire.
Occasionally, when in a rush one makes a mistake. Ever make one, or are you perfect? Oh, you must be perfect!!
Exactly, and Obama's Mama didn't qualify and his Daddy, whomever that is, didn't either.
I read that and was trying to find how to apply it to this situation. Need to find more information on his mother. Have to go to records of travel etc.
Excerpt from Dr. Polarik’s article (full article below):
“Why won’t you show us your real birth certificate?” Press Secretary Gibbs response was startling. He said that the Obama Administration had put a copy of it, one with a raised Seal, on the Internet. That response, more than any other mentioned to date, should have gotten people to their feet shouting, “NO, it’s NOT a real birth certificate!” Or, at least, it’s not the long-form original.
In effect, Obama, by way of his Press Secretary, just admitted to committing felony document fraud as what is posted on the Internet is a forgery, a false government identification document in violation of Federal statutes.”
Article by Polarik:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2280617/posts
The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era. www.hawaii.gov
He was born in 1961, if he were born outside of the country, his mom could have come back and registered him.
And no hospital will, without Obama's permission. They're barred from doing so by HIPAA.
Unless you plan on running for president why worry about it? The law changed I think in 62, so maybe you would, maybe not.
Once lawyers are involved, everything is subject to change, just like our Constitution is being crapped on daily by this administration, and neither party seems to care.
Law that is not enforced, is no law at all.
But that law isn't applicable to someone born in the US- the 14th Amendment governs in that situaition.
If he were born in Hawaii as he claims, then why the reluctance to release his birth certificate?
It ought to raise some serious red flags when he would rather spend over a million dollars to fight the release of his birth certificate rather than spend $10 plus the cost of postage to end the suits.
IMO release of his birth certificate will either show that BHO Sr was not his father thus proving that his “biography” is a lie OR that he was indeed born overseas and since his mother was only 18 at the time of his birth she could not legally convey citizenship to barry.
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