Wooden Beam Of Noah's Ark On Mount Ararat

YouTube ^ | 2002

[Fennie]

On the 2nd December 2002 Claudio Schranz of our group and alpine guide has been able to film clearly a beam of Noah's Ark protruding out of the ice on Mount Ararat. It was found at 4000m between the beginning of the Parrot glacier.

[Star Traveler]

You said — If I had been Noah, I would have used the lumber of the Ark to build a home, or to burn for firewood. Not sure anyone would just leave that lumber there for posterity....

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Probably too much bat guano on the various decks... LOL...

[oldfart]

Back in ‘75 I had the very nice job of acting as surveyor for an archeological expedition throughout Southeast Alaska. Our primary job was locating and measuring ancient village and burial sites for preservation for future generations. (actually, it was a fabulous, all-expenses-paid fishing trip with a lot of sight-seeing thrown in - but don’t tell anyone that.)

Most of the time we traveled around by boat, landing at various sites among the islands. Occasionally we had to fly by float-plane over the islands to sites on the other side. Tribal elders, both Tlingit and Haida, asked us to watch the highest mountain tops, looking for fortifications that the ancients had erected to keep bears out during their ‘great flood.’ All the mountains were heavily glaciated, of course, so even if there had been any ruins they would have been destroyed.

What struck me was the fact that the story of that flood had been handed down through generations prior to contact with white Christian missionaries. This story was as old as the Raven legends and just as thoroughly believed.

[PBinTX]

Sorry, I don’t buy your explanation. I’m a geologist. I know all about plate tectonics and mountain building. It doesn’t happen in the timescale we’re discussing here.

As you correctly point out, the geologic formations that are now tops of mountains were once at the bottom of the oceans. But it takes millions of years for those formations to be uplifted and eroded into mountains. The topography of the earth of biblical times is not significantly different from earth today.

Try not to abandon reason and mankind’s collected knowledge to force fit your religious beliefs.

[Non-Sequitur]

That all contributes to a viable and reasonable science explanation for what the Bible says happened.

I don't think science has much to do with the explanation for the Biblical flood. There is a limit to how much moisture in the form of water vapor that the atmosphere can hold. And the effects of enough water vapor in the atmosphere to cover the earth to a depth of a few feet would also raise the global temperature enough to kill all life on earth.

[Dog Gone]

Those who want to believe in Noah’s Flood will do so regardless of any scientific discussion of its possibility. That’s just kind of a given, which is why the Noah threads never end up convincing anyone of anything.

[mad_as_he$$]

Every culture on Earth has a flood legend. Common delusion or common story?

[advertising guy]

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[Dog Gone]

Every culture doesn’t have the flood legend, but an early local event which was certainly significant to the ancestors of modern civilization would account for all of them.

Certainly the Gilgamesh Epic and Noah’s Flood are referring to the same event, even though the accounts are a bit different.

[mad_as_he$$]

http://graceandtruthbooks.com/listdetails.asp?ID=2359

http://www.nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html

[oldfart]

Perhaps a common experience? Again - I don’t KNOW, but if I believe in God I have to believe it’s possible.

[PBinTX]

"How much water can the atmosphere account for?

The answer from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_vapor

"Measurements of vapor concentration are expressed as specific humidity or percent relative humidity. The annual mean global concentration of water vapor would yield about 25 mm of liquid water over the entire surface of the Earth if it were to instantly condense."

So, all the water in the atmosphere makes up about 1 inch of water. Some flood! Now, you suggest that the rest of the water came from under the earth's mantle. Under the mid-ocean ridge is molten rock, not oceans of water. Vast amounts of water could not burst forth from the mid-ocean ridges. To suggest otherwise is idiocy.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Freedom2specul8]

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[blam]

"Every culture on Earth has a flood legend."

Imagine that.

It flooded everywhere as the ice melted at the end of the Ice Age.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Technologies come and go: The ancient Romans had cement, but the “recipe” was lost until we rediscovered how to make it in the 19th Century, IIRC.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

the Bible which, after all, was written by man,

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. (2 Timothy 3:16)

God wrote the Bible. Not man.

[colorado tanker]

Consider also how dramatically sea level changed just as human civilization was coalescing. The North Sea was dry land, connecting the British Isles with France and Norway. Southesast Asia was much larger, with much of the sea separating the Indonesian islands from the continent dry land.

Then consider that through most of human history coastal areas have been the most intensively settled because of the transportation and foodstocks the sea provides. So, for most of mankind at a very formative period, the rise in the sea must have seemed relentless as the glaciers melted.

An awful lot of our archaeological history is under the sea.

[Deb]

Tom Watts?

[Star Traveler]

Dog Gone, you said — Those who want to believe in Noah’s Flood will do so regardless of any scientific discussion of its possibility. That’s just kind of a given, which is why the Noah threads never end up convincing anyone of anything.

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Well, since the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob created everything in the first place and put the laws of science in place, as part of His creation, it would not make sense for science and the Bible to be contradictory.

However, it does make sense for some people to desire to contradict what God says in the Bible and try to get science to say something different. That does happen.

But, God doesn’t make His revelation and then design science to contradict His revelation (i.e., His Word).

That’s why you’ll find it entirely possible to have science and the Bible in agreement with the world-wide flood and not in disagreement as some might like to say... :-)