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Hadrosaur Soft Tissues Another Blow to Long-Ages Myth (first T. rex, then another T. rex, now this!)
ICR ^ | May 12, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 05/12/2009 7:26:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Hadrosaur Soft Tissues Another Blow to Long-Ages Myth

by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

Recently-discovered dinosaur soft tissues, and even blood cells, represent some of the biggest hurdles for long-age evolutionary belief. Soft tissue was found in the femur of a large Tyrannosaurus rex about a decade ago, and more was discovered in another T. rex a few years later. And recently, soft tissues with proteins were found in a hadrosaur from Montana...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; creation; dinosaur; dinosaurs; evolution; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; maryschweitzer; notasciencetopic; propellerbeanie; science
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To: MHGinTN

Turning the daggar...


501 posted on 05/15/2009 5:13:37 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
So you now admit that the bones were not found soft as you recalled reading in this unheard of “press release”?

That the bones were in fact demineralized to soften them?

502 posted on 05/15/2009 9:44:10 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: ClearCase_guy
One of the points often raised by doubters of Evolution is the circular logic that can be used in dating: We know T. Rex is 100 million years old, because we find the fossils in rocks which are 100 million years old. And we know these rocks are 100 million years old, because they contain T. Rex fossils. To a certain extent, if the animal is found not to be quite so old, then it becomes difficult to make the case that the rocks are so very old.

If these 'doubters' had any education they would know how weak the above argument is.

503 posted on 05/15/2009 10:34:01 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: allmendream

I never said that any bones were soft moron!

I said that there was soft tissue, and that it was soft as discovered. The soft tissue had not been fossilized in any way.


504 posted on 05/15/2009 10:42:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: allmendream

Bones are demineralized to remove soft tissue, a common lab procedure. so what is your point???


505 posted on 05/15/2009 10:51:13 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: tacticalogic

I’d be willing to bet you can guess my “natural” response! :)


506 posted on 05/16/2009 5:38:19 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: allmendream; betty boop; metmom; Alamo-Girl
Me pointing out that both Popes agree with me, and neither agrees with you, as to the particulars of the intersection of science and faith is hardly apart from the subject under discussion.

You were shown that this is an outright mis-representation because the Pope would hardly tell a little child that God has no place in science when she asked about her teeth, moreoever, the Pope would freely admit God created all we know or ever will know, and at the bare minimum evolution IS I.D., something you refuse to admit.

And again, why do you drag a religious argument into a science argument, particuarly when you yourself demand science be pure science...is it as it is with all liberals, "do as I say, not as I do"? Is that the idea?

Do you not have any scruples whatsoever or is it the robotic prattling of a cultist or do you just like to hear yourself talk?

507 posted on 05/16/2009 6:02:35 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Wacka; GodGunsGuts

Doing actual experiments IS science.


And ignoring their results, what would you call that?

Answer: A cult.

Edward Peltzer, University of California, San Diego (Scripps Institute)

As a chemist, the most fascinating issue for me revolves around the origin of life. Before life began, there was no biology, only chemistry – and chemistry is the same for all time. What works (or not) today, worked (or not) back in the beginning. So, our ideas about what happened on Earth prior to the emergence of life are eminently testable in the lab. And what we have seen thus far when the reactions are left unguided as they would be in the natural world is not much. Indeed, the decomposition reactions and competing reactions out distance the synthetic reactions by far. It is only when an intelligent agent (such as a scientist or graduate student) intervenes and “tweaks” the reactions conditions “just right” do we see any progress at all, and even then it is still quite limited and very far from where we need to get. Thus, it is the very chemistry that speaks of a need for something more than just time and chance. And whether that be simply a highly specified set of initial conditions (fine-tuning) or some form of continual guidance until life ultimately emerges is still unknown. But what we do know is the random chemical reactions are both woefully insufficient and are often working against the pathways needed to succeed. For these reasons I have serious doubts about whether the current Darwinian paradigm will ever make additional progress in this area.

Edward Peltzer
Ph.D. Oceanography, University of California, San Diego (Scripps Institute)
Associate Editor, Marine Chemistry

www.dissentfromdarwin.org


508 posted on 05/16/2009 6:05:12 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

I’d be willing to bet the natural reaction of any research facility to it would be “No thanks. Keep your Roller Derby the hell out of my my lab.”


509 posted on 05/16/2009 6:36:16 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Nope.

But it does get back to your previous contentions about families seeing for themselves how the debate would unfold in science class.

No, the correct answer is:

back at ya.

If you want to hold everyone somehow “responsible”, then don’t whine when you are.

And back to families...I think this (and just about every thread) illustrates to what length liberals will go to to sabotage the science more than anything else.

Any and every threat to their cult is met with endless lies, projections and so on.

ad infinatum.

Frankly, I think the vast majorities of families would just as soon liberals shut up and sit down for a change.

Personally, I think when they started demanding people not publically say Merry Christmas, etc. etc. etc., the tipping point was reached.

Most Americans don’t like liberal idiots dictating to them what they can and can’t do.


510 posted on 05/16/2009 9:14:46 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: ColdWater
If these 'doubters' had any education they would know how weak the above argument is.

Would that be the NEA, or the liberal professors like Ward Churchhill or both?

511 posted on 05/16/2009 9:27:15 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Keep it up. You’re providing valuable information about what creationism will bring to the table.


512 posted on 05/16/2009 10:04:51 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Keep it up. You’re providing valuable information about what creationism will bring to the table.


People not in the grip of a cult already understand.

You see before liberals hijacked science and the education system in general, creationsim flourished nicely. And so did science and education.

I merely expose the behavior of leftists and/or cultists.

So I udnerstand your squirminess.


513 posted on 05/16/2009 11:57:10 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
You see before liberals hijacked science and the education system in general, creationsim flourished nicely. And so did science and education.

I merely expose the behavior of leftists and/or cultists.

Okay. Radiometric dating is liberalism.

What else do you have to offer on the subject?

514 posted on 05/16/2009 12:10:10 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tpanther

No. I am talking about the evolution doubters that are armed only with the false science they read on the creationists’ websites.


515 posted on 05/16/2009 4:11:17 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

Oh OK. Same thing.


516 posted on 05/16/2009 4:24:40 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tacticalogic

No liberaqlism is exclaiming “the debate is over, it’s settled science, anyone that disagrees is a Bible thumper...”

Sheesh, 10 years?


517 posted on 05/16/2009 4:31:48 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Wacka
“I’ll quit using the CREtin label when you …” [excerpt]
Just to be clear, there is one Creationist on this site that you won't be calling a ‘CREtin’ if you know whats good for you.
518 posted on 05/16/2009 10:16:29 PM PDT by Fichori (The only bailout I'm interested in is the one where the entire Democrat party leaves the county)
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To: tpanther; tacticalogic
You see before liberals hijacked science and the education system in general, creationsim flourished nicely. And so did science and education.

Precisely. Prior to the dominance of evolutionism in science, great leaps and bounds were made, climaxing with the great creation scientists Louis Pasteur, Michael Faraday, James Clerk Maxwell, and others like them, who operated in the looming shadow of Darwinism, which hadn't yet acquired the demonically-inspired strength to control science.

The astute student of science will note that practically all engineering and medical advances we enjoy today are built on the pre-1900 science of these giants, before Darwin sank his monstrous claws into the philosophy.

Darwin's separation of God from his once-pure creation of science had far-reaching consequences. The pollution of medicine with Freudian junk concepts of the unconscious mind as a separate entity controlling our minds entered as a result of Darwin. The pollution of physics and chemistry with Eastern mystical philosophies like quantum mechanics, which asserts that existence is subjective and random, entered as a result of Darwin. The Marxist concept of a godless, centrally controlled economy entered as a result of Darwin. And as if stealing the origins of humanity from God wasn't enough, cosmologists invented the "Big Bang" to steal the origin of the whole universe from God.

If modern science, so-engendered by the influence of these man-centered, God-burying concepts, isn't pure evil and blasphemy in its most deceptive form, I don't know what is. It's time that conservatives banded together to stop this nonsense, and restore science to its pre-Darwinian roots!

519 posted on 05/17/2009 8:08:40 AM PDT by WondrousCreation (Good science regarding the Earth's past only reveals what Christians have known for centuries!)
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To: tpanther
No liberaqlism is exclaiming “the debate is over, it’s settled science, anyone that disagrees is a Bible thumper...”

Do you still beat your wife?

520 posted on 05/17/2009 8:14:43 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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