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Hadrosaur Soft Tissues Another Blow to Long-Ages Myth (first T. rex, then another T. rex, now this!)
ICR ^ | May 12, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 05/12/2009 7:26:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Hadrosaur Soft Tissues Another Blow to Long-Ages Myth

by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

Recently-discovered dinosaur soft tissues, and even blood cells, represent some of the biggest hurdles for long-age evolutionary belief. Soft tissue was found in the femur of a large Tyrannosaurus rex about a decade ago, and more was discovered in another T. rex a few years later. And recently, soft tissues with proteins were found in a hadrosaur from Montana...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; creation; dinosaur; dinosaurs; evolution; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; maryschweitzer; notasciencetopic; propellerbeanie; science
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To: allmendream; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[ What ill thought out and ignorant twaddle. ]

Duuugh.. You have no idea of who are twaddling with..

481 posted on 05/15/2009 10:23:10 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

LOLOL!


482 posted on 05/15/2009 10:25:06 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ancesthntr

Thank you for the rational response. It never ceases to amaze me that one believes that Man walked in the land of T. rex.


483 posted on 05/15/2009 11:36:50 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: tacticalogic
You've proven youself unable to discuss the topic without resorting to insults and personal attacks

Get used to it......especially coming from one that believes that T. rex was around at the same time as Man.

484 posted on 05/15/2009 12:20:00 PM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: WondrousCreation
The whole point is that no one feels the whiplash such high speeds would suggest! This shows evidence that there is more involved in the "simple" laws of motion and relativity than simplistic secular science can explain.

Uhhhh.....you do know that you don't "feel" "speed" don't you? This is rather simple physics...er.....secular science. You "feel" "acceleration"....once you're at "speed", you feel nothing. "Whiplash" comes from sudden CHANGE in speed, not constant speed.

485 posted on 05/15/2009 12:37:13 PM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: tacticalogic

Exactly. A long arduous way of saying your full of it.


486 posted on 05/15/2009 1:14:11 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
Exactly. A long arduous way of saying your full of it.

Your choice, your responsibility.

487 posted on 05/15/2009 1:26:49 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Thank you for the rational response. It never ceases to amaze me that one believes that Man walked in the land of T. rex.

Come on now, it is easy to believe - look at the sorry state of our dumbed-down socialized pubic skule system, look at the miserable excuse for journalism that we have, look at the idiots we produce in this country on Leno's "Jaywalking" segment every Monday.

Most people are intellectually lazy - they'll believe whatever fits their uninformed worldview, and out of sheer laziness they'll fight tooth-and-claw to retain that view and not have to think about a viable replacement. It is truly a wonder that we're not still rubbing sticks together.

488 posted on 05/15/2009 2:36:28 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: GodGunsGuts

“The simplest explanation for the presence of blood vessels and their proteins in these bones is that the dinosaurs were recently and rapidly inundated and preserved, just as one would expect to observe in a world that began thousands rather than millions of years ago.”

If it were “recently and rapidly inundated and preserved” from thousands of years ago we’d be talking about a complete dino carcass similar to some mammoths found or the ice man in the alps, and not about some hardy microscopic proteins found in the center of a couple of large fossilized bones.

We simply don’t know how long soft tissue can last. We know in general how long tissue lasts in some conditions... but in other conditions tissue can last vastly longer. The ice man found in the alps is older than the egyptian mummies which were purposely preserved, and yet is in BETTER condition.
It wasn’t that long ago (1980s) that some scientists were hopeful that with modern equipment that we’d actually be able to gather together some dino dna, perhaps preserved in amber or in well preserved large bones (that was what inspired Crichton to write Jurassic Park), but alas we still haven’t found a single dino nucleotide. Hey, maybe that means the the dinos died LONGER ago than we thought? ;-)


489 posted on 05/15/2009 3:11:20 PM PDT by goodusername
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To: goodusername

Perhaps if they were trapped in ice, but under almost all other circumstances, the carcass would disappear in a matter months or years. As for the idea that dino soft tissue can last for 65-80 million years, I find recent death and burial the far more plausible explanation.


490 posted on 05/15/2009 3:19:45 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Except that the rocks they are in are >65 MILLION years old. PROVE they aren’t.


491 posted on 05/15/2009 3:54:28 PM PDT by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts

The Earth is 4.5 billion years old.


492 posted on 05/15/2009 3:56:45 PM PDT by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: Wacka

Prove that they are!


493 posted on 05/15/2009 3:58:05 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: humblegunner

In your Temple of Darwin dreams!


494 posted on 05/15/2009 3:58:34 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s already been done with countless scientific articles.

Your “proof is yet another creationist magazine or web article. Again, citing the bible is NOT science, it is religion.


495 posted on 05/15/2009 4:07:40 PM PDT by Wacka
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To: Wacka

Well in that case, 4.5 billion years has already been falsified in countless creation science articles and papers.


496 posted on 05/15/2009 4:13:01 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Wacka

Don’t tell me that you don’t understand GR either.

The great physicists went out of their way to dispel the mysterious view of relativity, and to clearly state that any coordinate system is as good as another.

This can be hard for some to grasp; especially the wannabe ‘sciencey’ types for some reason beyond my comprehension. They just don’t seem to be able to handle the concept of relativity in their minds.


497 posted on 05/15/2009 4:51:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

But wait! There’s more! ... Quantum non-locality ...


498 posted on 05/15/2009 4:53:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; allmendream

The part that contains the pertinent statements is written in a color that AMD’s retinae cannot perceive, and contain information that a person who’s faith is in an old Earth, cannot comprehend.


499 posted on 05/15/2009 4:56:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts; count-your-change; allmendream; betty boop; Caramelgal
" That is a good question. The type of acid we use is very commonly applied to remove the mineral from modern bone to reveal the structural proteins that are so intimately linked to the mineral. It is a very mild acid and is more accurately a metal chelator than a true “acid.” So it removes the mineral while leaving the protein intact, and it does not harm cell membranes or vessels in modern bone, so we hoped that it would not in our ancient material either."

That was the process that I referred to by its proper term, "pickling," in my reply to AMD, but he failed to understand it, so he ignored it.

500 posted on 05/15/2009 5:03:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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