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Hadrosaur Soft Tissues Another Blow to Long-Ages Myth (first T. rex, then another T. rex, now this!)
ICR ^ | May 12, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 05/12/2009 7:26:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Hadrosaur Soft Tissues Another Blow to Long-Ages Myth

by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

Recently-discovered dinosaur soft tissues, and even blood cells, represent some of the biggest hurdles for long-age evolutionary belief. Soft tissue was found in the femur of a large Tyrannosaurus rex about a decade ago, and more was discovered in another T. rex a few years later. And recently, soft tissues with proteins were found in a hadrosaur from Montana...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; creation; dinosaur; dinosaurs; evolution; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; maryschweitzer; notasciencetopic; propellerbeanie; science
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To: betty boop
For actual Christians, there is no doubt that God Created all that there is. The only disagreement might be on how, timing, the nature of the creative impulse, etc. Science is not so advanced that it has all the answers. Science certainly has not advanced to the point of declaring without doubt that everything that is needed no Creator to become. To the contrary, the discoveries unwaveringly point to Creation and thus to The Creator. But then, Paul taught that it would be so right at the beginning of his letter to the Romans. Reasons.org [Hugh Ross's website] has a growing list of the factors so unlikely to be according to the statistical probabilities, if anyone would like to explore the rarities. If memory serves, the current probability of it all by accident is 1 in 10120, a number so small that it is impossible to be all by accident.
421 posted on 05/14/2009 8:19:32 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: tacticalogic
Sure you have...I'd say about as intimately as possible.

I believe you even explained to me once that this was the objective of your arguments.

That would most likely be your projections haunting you again. That has to be torturous for you.

422 posted on 05/14/2009 8:23:02 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: betty boop

Creationism, despite your best attempts at obtuseness on the subject, is not and NEVER will be synonymous with Christian.

Creationism is not just the belief that God is responsible for the creation of the universe, it is a movement formed in opposition to the findings of a scientific theory.

I fully believe God is responsible for the creation of life, the universe and everything. But I do not dictate the terms and conditions and time frames under which God did such. I let scriptural language talking of evenings and mornings of days without a Sun speak to the WHY of creation, and I understand that science can show some of the HOW.

Stars form by nuclear fusion and gravity. Right now stars are forming in nebulae. God is no less responsible for creating these stars than for creating our own star, and I don’t suppose it is necessary to postulate that he used different means to do so.

Discovering how stars form no more removes God as their creator, than discovering how species arise removes God as their creator.

May you some day find the truth that you have hidden so well from yourself.


423 posted on 05/14/2009 8:34:46 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream; betty boop

The fact that you would be so rude and nasty to someone so kind and thoughtful shows what kind of moral pigmy you really are, dreamer.


424 posted on 05/14/2009 8:42:42 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: betty boop
So you back away from your statement that Scientists are putting their soul in peril by learning and practicing science? The more educated one is, the less likely they are to believe in Creationism. And you apparently also need an education in the beliefs and statements of the last two Popes. Neither of them were a Creationist, both accepted the findings of the theory of evolution.
425 posted on 05/14/2009 8:46:09 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream

Funny, the higher my degrees, the more I believed in creation. There must be something wrong with your chart!


426 posted on 05/14/2009 8:52:27 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

My post was neither rude nor nasty, although your post most certainly is.

And the typical ‘maybe your not REALLY a Christian after all’ tactic is neither kind nor thoughtful but tired and trite.


427 posted on 05/14/2009 8:54:26 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: GodGunsGuts

Or something wrong with your degree.... Communications was it?

You are not a very effective communicator.


428 posted on 05/14/2009 8:55:13 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream

“A double minded man is unstable in all his ways”—James 1:8

Too bad everybody on the Christian side of the divide can see it but you, dreamer.


429 posted on 05/14/2009 9:00:52 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: betty boop
“Thus Creationism is the refuge of the ill and under educated; no wonder you think knowledge is so dangerous.”

“Sure. It's a refuge for undereducated, dimwitted, superstitious people like Karol Wojtyla and Joseph Ratzinger, for instance....” betty boop

Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that neither Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI were or are Creationists.

Perhaps you are unaware that my own position on science and Christianity is indistinguishable from theirs.

Here is Pope Benedict XVI (or Joseph Ratzinger if you prefer) on the subject....

“They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other,” the pope said. “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”

Pope Benedict XVI

Perhaps you are unaware that Pope John Paul II (or Karol Wojtyla if you prefer) is ALSO not a Creationist and accepted the findings of evolution.

“Today, more than a half century after this encyclical, new knowledge leads us to recognize in the theory of evolution more than a hypothesis. ... The convergence, neither sought nor induced, of results of work done independently one from the other, constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.”

and

‘if the origin of the human body is sought in living matter which existed before it, the spiritual soul is directly created by God.’ Consequently, the theories of evolution which, as a result of the philosophies which inspire them, consider the spirit as emerging from forces of living matter or as a simple epiphenomenon of this matter, are incompatible with the truth about man. They are moreover incapable of laying the foundation for the dignity of the person.”

Pope John Paul II

430 posted on 05/14/2009 9:02:43 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream

Don’t get me wrong, I quite agree with you...the vast majority of those who get their education at our Godless universities come to disbelieve and mock God’s creation. Indeed, it is written!

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Some of those who turn our youth away from God even claim to be Christians:

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.


431 posted on 05/14/2009 9:10:48 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: betty boop
In short, if you have a theology, it seems you may have strained it through a filter of scientistic presuppositions to which you are passionately devoted, but which seem (to me anyway) fundamentally irrational.

But of course, I could be mistaken about this, and may well be. Which is why I said I'd be interested in a better understanding of your fundamental cosmological view. That would probably clear up the matter for me.

Thank you oh so very much for sharing your testimony and for laying out this important challenge!

432 posted on 05/14/2009 9:11:11 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Thank you so very much for joining in this prayer, dearest sister in Christ, and thank you for your encouragements!
433 posted on 05/14/2009 9:12:19 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts

Demineralization of bone fragments here seems such a basic and standard procedure that I wonder why such a big deal was made about it, rather like staining microscope specimens.


434 posted on 05/14/2009 9:12:59 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Back to your tried and true tactic.... ‘Your just not as Christian as me unless you accept Creationism!’

The more one knows, especially about science, the less likely one is to accept Creationism.

Perhaps you might want to weigh in on bettyboop incorrectly trying to ‘hide behind the Pope’ as you claim I do every time I point out that the Pope is a Christian and not a Creationist?

435 posted on 05/14/2009 9:15:47 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: count-your-change; allmendream

Tell that to dreamer, but as usual, he won’t admit his foolish, agenda-driven mistake.


436 posted on 05/14/2009 9:16:04 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: allmendream

Yes, and the more one accepts the wisdom of this world—especially as it relates to origins—the more likely they are to go to Hell.


437 posted on 05/14/2009 9:17:36 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: count-your-change
Because the tissue wasn't “soft” until it was demineralized.

And the minerals in bone are not the same as the minerals in a fossil.

The dinosaur bones were fossilized, they were not just bone that had been softened.

So why is it that we find actual bones of modern species, but only fossilized bones of dinosaurs? Why are there not human and horse skeletons found that are fossilized to an equal degree?

438 posted on 05/14/2009 9:18:07 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream; count-your-change

That’s why forensic scientists demineralize bones all the time to get at the soft-tissue contained therein. LOL


439 posted on 05/14/2009 9:20:28 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Ah, when the ‘your not as Christian as me’ tactic doesn't work, you fall back on the old, ‘you are going to go to Hell’ threat.

Seeings as how the Pope has “accepted the wisdom of this world” when he referred to evolution as a “fact” which enriches our understanding of life and being; do you think he is likely to go to Hell?

Why me and not him? Are there some extenuating circumstances in his case, some exception to the generalized rule you just proposed?

I guess you are buying in to the bettyboop notion (though she has backed away from it) that knowledge imperils the soul.

Knowing science has only strengthened my faith in God.

My knowledge of what is seen and understood makes me stand in awe at the majesty of what will always remain unseen and not understood.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

440 posted on 05/14/2009 9:23:26 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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