Hadrosaur Soft Tissues Another Blow to Long-Ages Myth (first T. rex, then another T. rex, now this!)

ICR ^ | May 12, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

[GodGunsGuts]

Hadrosaur Soft Tissues Another Blow to Long-Ages Myth

by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

Recently-discovered dinosaur soft tissues, and even blood cells, represent some of the biggest hurdles for long-age evolutionary belief. Soft tissue was found in the femur of a large Tyrannosaurus rex about a decade ago, and more was discovered in another T. rex a few years later. And recently, soft tissues with proteins were found in a hadrosaur from Montana...

[GodGunsGuts]

==Still in abject denial that Dr. Mary H. Schweitzer demineralized the bones?...Still haven't found that “press release” she wrote have you?...Laughably inept.

Speaking of inept! Every time Dreamer pipes up, and gets real cocky, you can bet he is about to embarrass himself (again). It would appear that dreamer is ignorant of the fact that all bone contains mineralized structures that must be demineralized to get at the soft tissue within. If dreamer had bothered to read Dr. Schweitzer's PubMed paper but a little further, he would have found that Schweitzer et al had to conduct the same demineralization process on recently defleshed ostrich bones to get at the same soft tissue. Typical mistake of Evos whose Temple of Darwin religion compels them to jump to wild conclusions:

"Another ostrich specimen had been stored at −20°C for approximately 2 years, then at room temperature for over 12 years with no treatment. Both fresh (figure 1g) and older (figure 1f,h–j) demineralized bone matrix exhibited dense, fibrous morphology and stiff resilience, characteristic of collagen. Osteocytes were visible within the fibrous matrix after staining (figure 1f) and, along with vessels, were liberated after enzymatic digestion of the matrix. Vessels were transparent and flexible, varied in diameter and often occurred as a geometric three-dimensional network (figure 1g). Endothelial nuclei on vessel surfaces were enhanced with fixation (Schweitzer et al. 2005a, electronic supplementary material). While few distinct red blood cells were visible, some vessels contained dark red thickened material, and abundant fatty tissues remained associated with the vessels after treatment (figure 1h). Osteocytes were elongate, and they retained extensive filipodia and intracellular contents (figure 1i,j)."

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1685849

[betty boop]

The more you know, especially about science, the less likely you are to be a Creationist.

Again, please tell me how you reconcile this view with Christianity — which is absolutely, fundamentally committed to the idea that the origin of the universe commenced ex nihilo from a unique divine act? That is, God IS the creator of all that there is, on earth and in heaven. Thus, every real (as opposed to "nominal") Christian is at least a "small-c" creationist.

If this makes you uncomfortable, perhaps you should ask yourself whether you are, in fact, truly a Christian, or a Christian in name only. Time for a little self-examination?

May the Holy Spirit be with you.

[tacticalogic]

To a Creationist it must be so, as creationism is the refuge of the ill educated and under educated.

Perjorative generalizations are cheap, and easily disproven. The temptation is to answer them in kind, but it's bad practice. IMHO.

[xzins]

What a clear testimony to the Creator, betty!

The All-Seeing One has determined to be a step apart from us and to reveal Himself in the act seen by faith. “Oh the riches and wisdom of God!” Those who are lofty in their own eyes are brought low and those of humble spirit are exalted.

He has placed before humankind Jesus, the Son of Resurrection who has defeated death, so that whoever believes will likewise gain eternal life. Through mercy alone He opens the hearts of those who believe and are saved, yet the lost are so because they reject any promptings on His part.

Jesus is no many millions of years dead myth, but is One from within the pages of history. His witnesses proclaim the Glory of God in Christ.

Jesus is, then, the starting point of all knowledge for the events of His life are knowable through the pages written by eyewitnesses.

Creationism, theistic-evolutionism, intelligent designism, or some other ism explaining the beginnings of life are a curiosity. But all of them are subsumed under that which is within our own time.... because the Son has walked the earth in the age of men.

[tpanther]

One term I’ve come across to denote this phenomenon is: the divided self.

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Kind enough...I was thinking, split personality, Sybil, Jekyll & Hyde...

but seriously, nothing reasonable can come of it.

[tpanther]

If that was the case, I’d have been kicked off of here years ago.

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Not at all, the zeroite ‘dumb is proof of this not being the case. At all.

[tacticalogic]

You think in over ten years you’re the first person I’ve ever run into that knew they were the quintessential conservative, and were going to police the forum membership by driving off anybody they disageed with?

[Caramelgal]

If you were only half the ignoramus I think you are, you would understand that this was meant as a controlled experiment to replicate the conditions under which fossilized demineralized bone might contain microscopic remnants of soft tissue.

[tpanther]

I have no problem at all. My position is exactly the same as the Pope and many other knowledgeable and well respected theologians.

The Pope is going to freely admit that the God of the Bible created all we know or ever will.

He also wouldn't go to such extraordinary and painful lengths to disacknowledge God to a little girl asking about her baby teeth and he sure as heck wouldn't dodge bettyboop about reconciling your wrong-headed cultish ideas about naturalism and science and so on...with Christianity. He just wouldn't. And he wouldn't need to.

It is your theological position that is a fringe movement in denial of reality.

Another failed liberal debunked strawman. You've seen, but no doubt again ignored, the several links that fully illustrate you're particularly in the minority on FR, in the minority when it comes to the American people in general and WAAAAAAAAY in the minority of Christians.

But to prattle on about "reality" so insecurely this way indicates to rational people that...maybe you need a shrink as well as a deprogrammer. Maybe you can locate both in one person!?

Really, are you going to employ every single failed strawman you've ever used on this one thread?

Every biology article is critically reviewed by peers.

Sigh....it must be a reading comprehension issue with you...'science' and your cult apparently must be interchangeable terms in your mind, and as if that wasn't bad enough, now you've moved onto interchanging evolution with biology?

Methinks you have issues...perhaps issues that might well be addressed by a cult-deprogrammer and/or shrink. Seriously.

Seriously, don't let liberal rot set up in your brain this way...never ever a pretty sight!

Are you also in denial that Dr. Schweitzer demineralized the bones? That she claimed not to have in some unreferenced press release? Do you also think the Sun circles the Earth?

Can you show us just one recent example of CRITICAL so-called peer review of your cult?

Are you capable of discussion without projections, strawmen, misrepresentations, circular reasoning, and failed liberal lies?

[tpanther]

Perjorative generalizations are cheap, and easily disproven. The temptation is to answer them in kind, but it's bad practice. IMHO.

But projections....now you'll run with the bulls all afternoon, deep into the night...month after month, year after year...and now a decade under your belt?

It appears far more people get that then don't. ;)

[metmom]

You think in over ten years you’re the first person I’ve ever run into that knew they were the quintessential conservative, and were going to police the forum membership by driving off anybody they disageed with?

No, because the evos have been trying to turn FR into DC-lite for years but JR isn't letting them, much to their chagrin.

[tpanther]

So as we are to understand from that answer, pre-flood there was some sort of segregation/apartheid being enforced.

You see the Dinos lived at that same time as humans and all other animals, even the now extinct ones but they just lived in a different part of the neighborhood. The Dinos may have even lived in Da Hood.

Think of it like Mr. Rodgers Neighborhood meets Sesame Street meets Barney.

Cute, but that tells one more about evolution than it does Creationism actually. Not that that'll be grasped.

Do you have any idea how many people inhabited the earth in pre-historic times? Where? And where they didn't live?

I would ask you how we got from mud to hamster to ape...all without cause or thought or direction, to these all knowing all powerful super-apes, well...just....'cause. *SHRUG*

But what a pointless exercise that would be, flying purple spaghetti monsters notwithstanding!

Just for grins, I went to the aquarium and a young bright college liberal girl explained that the alligator gar was millions of years old and IS a living dinosaur...and funny thing, at that particular moment there were no young fellow smart liberal metrosexual types swimming around in there with that...really old dinosaur. ;)

[tpanther]

You think in over ten years you’re the first person I’ve ever run into that knew they were the quintessential conservative, and were going to police the forum membership by driving off anybody they disageed with?

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Again no where near the reality of your issues...what’s so interesting is that in 10 years you haven’t yet figured out that yours is the distinct liberal position...and look at all these opportunities!!!

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/03/americans_overwhelmingly_suppo.html

Headline: “Americans Overwhelmingly Support Teaching Scientific Challenges to Darwinian Evolution, Zogby Poll Shows” From March 2006.

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=719

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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts?page=63#63

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Creationism makes a comeback in US
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1856224/posts

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Teaching creation and evolution in schools
Solid research reveals American beliefs
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/teaching.asp

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Survey Finds Support Is Strong For Teaching 2 Origin Theories
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E4D9143BF932A25750C0A9669C8B63

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Public Divided on Origins of Life
http://people-press.org/report/254/religion-a-strength-and-weakness-for-both-parties

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Americans Believe in Jesus, Poll Says (creation poll results included)
http://derekgulbranson.com/2005/01/17/americans-believe-in-jesus/

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For all the projections about coherence and reality and smarts, you libs sure make it a “science” to cut yourselves off at the knees! Pun intended. LOL!

[GodGunsGuts]

LOL! I’ll tell you what...I’ll have dreamer explain it to you once he realizes his blunder :o)

[tacticalogic]

All my argumets and questions on this thread have been with regard to conclusions being made about the age of the the Earth, not the origin of life.

None of that is even in context.

[editor-surveyor]

"Laughably inept."

Yes, you certainly are.

[tacticalogic]

No, because the evos have been trying to turn FR into DC-lite for years but JR isn't letting them, much to their chagrin.

We've all seen the "I know you are, but what am I?" routine.

[tpanther]

All my argumets and questions on this thread have been with regard to conclusions being made about the age of the the Earth, not the origin of life.

None of that is even in context.

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Do tell! Well, give me a chance to pop some corn and tell us where you stand on origins for heaven’s sakes!

But give me a moment.

[tacticalogic]

But projections....

I tell you you'll have to do better than that, but apparently that's the whole routine.

[tpanther]

No, because the evos have been trying to turn FR into DC-lite for years but JR isn’t letting them, much to their chagrin.

We’ve all seen the “I know you are, but what am I?” routine.

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Yes, anytime you show up with your sir-project-alot act, it’s a surefire gurantee!

You libs seriously have no shame whatsoever.

None.