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Hadrosaur Soft Tissues Another Blow to Long-Ages Myth (first T. rex, then another T. rex, now this!)
ICR ^ | May 12, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 05/12/2009 7:26:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Hadrosaur Soft Tissues Another Blow to Long-Ages Myth

by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

Recently-discovered dinosaur soft tissues, and even blood cells, represent some of the biggest hurdles for long-age evolutionary belief. Soft tissue was found in the femur of a large Tyrannosaurus rex about a decade ago, and more was discovered in another T. rex a few years later. And recently, soft tissues with proteins were found in a hadrosaur from Montana...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; creation; dinosaur; dinosaurs; evolution; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; maryschweitzer; notasciencetopic; propellerbeanie; science
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To: allmendream

You steadfastly refuse to obtain even the most basic grasp of the cosomological model that you’re mocking. I’ve gone out and found you a reasonably unbiased assessment of both, and you clearly have not bothered to read it at all.

There is a fairly good summation of a model by George Ellis, one that requires no “dark matter” or “dark energy” in order to explain the motion of galaxies. From my own perspective, I find it appealing because ... it looks like a scroll, a cylinder. Now, where have we heard that before?


341 posted on 05/14/2009 3:09:27 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: freedumb2003

The scientist without a science!

Must be tough being you.


342 posted on 05/14/2009 3:09:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
I am not the one in full retreat from reality.

Dr. Mary H. Schweitzer has described her methodology in BOTH instances as being that of finding soft tissue after demineralizing the fossil.

And we do find bones of modern species, all over the place.

We also find the fossilized bones of dinosaurs all over the place; not just where there is volcanic activity.

So why do we not find actual bones of dinosaurs; just fossils?

343 posted on 05/14/2009 3:12:37 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream
"So why do we find bones of modern species, but only fossilized bones of dinosaurs, if they lived contemporaneously?"

There's the lie again. Everything in the flood strata lived contemporaneously in the pre-flood era, but not necessarily in the same place.

344 posted on 05/14/2009 3:13:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
So why don't we ever see humans and dinosaurs in the same strata? Why don't we see human bones fossilized to the same extent?

Still in abject denial that Dr. Mary H. Schweitzer demineralized the bones?

Still haven't found that “press release” she wrote have you?

Laughably inept.

345 posted on 05/14/2009 3:17:47 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: tacticalogic

Your position, your tactics....PURE liberalism, no “justification” needed pal.


346 posted on 05/14/2009 3:27:24 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: freedumb2003

...name-calling YOU began. Yes, do run along trolly DC zeroite.


347 posted on 05/14/2009 3:32:14 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: allmendream

So why don’t we ever see humans and dinosaurs in the same strata? Why don’t we see human bones fossilized to the same extent?

Still in abject denial that Dr. Mary H. Schweitzer demineralized the bones?

Still haven’t found that “press release” she wrote have you?

Laughably inept.


Still can’t reconcile your positions?

Still can’t produce serious CRITICAL peer review of your cult?

If anyone’s been laughable today...

oh nevermind, but there’s bound to be treatment available in your area as well, seek out a deprogrammer allmendream!


348 posted on 05/14/2009 3:35:21 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: allmendream; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; metmom; GodGunsGuts
I am not the one in full retreat from reality.

LOLROTF!

349 posted on 05/14/2009 3:37:49 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for g!ood men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
I have no problem at all. My position is exactly the same as the Pope and many other knowledgeable and well respected theologians. It is your theological position that is a fringe movement in denial of reality.

Every biology article is critically reviewed by peers.

I make a good living knowing what I know and doing what I do. What I know is science. What I do is science. Knowledge is not “programming”, it is knowledge, only ignorance could “deprogram” me; and I don't plan on a lobotomy any time soon.

And that is what it would take to make me a Creationist, a full frontal lobotomy. I would have to join the ignorant and unlearned.

The more educated one is the less likely they are to believe in Creationism.

Are you also in denial that Dr. Schweitzer demineralized the bones? That she claimed not to have in some unreferenced press release? Do you also think the Sun circles the Earth?

350 posted on 05/14/2009 3:41:18 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: tpanther

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2249728/posts?page=177#177


351 posted on 05/14/2009 3:41:53 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: tpanther
Your position, your tactics....PURE liberalism, no “justification” needed pal.

If that was the case, I'd have been kicked off of here years ago.

352 posted on 05/14/2009 3:45:49 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tpanther; allmendream; Alamo-Girl
Of course it’s possible to compartmentalize parts of your life separate from the other partts I guess.

One term I've come across to denote this phenomenon is: the divided self.

353 posted on 05/14/2009 3:57:36 PM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: betty boop

A term I’ve come across to encapsulate your idea that scientific knowledge imperils the soul is...

“Ignorance is Strength”.

To a Creationist it must be so, as creationism is the refuge of the ill educated and under educated.

The more you know, especially about science, the less likely you are to be a Creationist.


354 posted on 05/14/2009 4:00:20 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream
So why don't we ever see humans and dinosaurs in the same strata? Why don't we see human bones fossilized to the same extent?

Well as the land surveyor already explained, “Everything in the flood strata lived contemporaneously in the pre-flood era, but not necessarily in the same place.”

So as we are to understand from that answer, pre-flood there was some sort of segregation/apartheid being enforced.

You see the Dinos lived at that same time as humans and all other animals, even the now extinct ones but they just lived in a different part of the neighborhood. The Dinos may have even lived in Da Hood.

Think of it like Mr. Rodgers Neighborhood meets Sesame Street meets Barney.

Mr. Rodgers lived in the same neighborhood as Lady Elaine Fairchilde and Ino A. Horse. And Mr. Snuffleupagus lived on Sesame Street with Big Bird, but Barney lived in a completely different neighborhood and that’s why we don’t find their bones or fossilized remains together in the same strata.

Of course this presents a bit of a problem for the displays at the Creation Museum that shows Mr. Rodgers and Barney living peacefully together.

But let’s not dwell on the pesky details. It’s so much easier when you just stop thinking and go with the flow. ;),

Still in abject denial that Dr. Mary H. Schweitzer demineralized the bones?

Again with the pesky details. Just take Brian Thomas M.S.* science writer and former community college science teacher’s word for it. He’s way more qualified that Dr. Schweitzer. He knows everything! (/s)
355 posted on 05/14/2009 4:09:55 PM PDT by Caramelgal (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: GunRunner
"It does. So I assume you will no longer use Gravity Probe B as evidence like you did dozens of times last year."

Whether Gravity Probe B actually found frame-dragging is unlikely and has supposedly only recently been 'found' with a statistical uncertainty of 15% that does not include all systematic effects. That is far short of proving me wrong. Unfortunately, you seem incapable of understanding that.

"You still didn't answer as to what kind of Geocentrist you are: Tycho or Ptolemy."

You still didn't answer as to whether you now understand that geocentrism is valid under GR with 'frame-dragging'.

356 posted on 05/14/2009 4:21:26 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I am a Christian, GGG.

I wonder why so many Christians do not understand the biblical basis for astrology, mistaking the warnings against false prophets claiming to use astrology for fortune telling. By condemning all astrology, they truly throw out the baby with the bathwater, failing to make a distinction.

“And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as SIGNS to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the Earth.” And it was so.” (Gen. 1:14-15)

“There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven: a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain, a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.” (Eccl. 3:1-8)

“And there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the Earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the Earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.” (Luke 21:25-27)

“The HEAVENS declare the glory of God, and the firmament shows his handiwork. Day after day utters his speech and night after night shows his knowledge. There is no tongue or language where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the Earth and their words to the ends of the world. In them (the heavens) he has set a tabernacle for the sun.” (Psalm 19:1-4)

“Can you bring forth the Mazzaroth (the zodiac) in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs? (an astrological constellation)” (Job 38:32)


357 posted on 05/14/2009 4:42:28 PM PDT by jacquej
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To: allmendream; Alamo-Girl; GodGunsGuts; tpanther; hosepipe; metmom; TXnMA; MHGinTN; xzins; ...
You actually think scientific discovery imperils the soul?
No I do not think that at all. Reason is a gift of God. He gave it to us in order to appreciate and understand the splendor of what He has wrought, which at its foundation is an intelligible order, and thus amenable to discovery by means of the operations of reason.

What ill thought out and ignorant twaddle.
You said it — in the act of attributing to me something which is NOT my opinion, but the very reverse of my opinion.

The Heavens proclaim the glory of God.
Yes; and so does the Creation.

Gathering knowledge is certainly a peril for someones belief in Creationism, as the more someone knows, especially about science, the less likely they are to be a Creationist.
I can't endorse that observation. In my experience, the reverse has been true. That is, the more I know about science and mathematics, the more I'm convinced that God is the creator and sustainer of the universe. For example, I find the big bang/inflationary model corresponds exceptionally well with the biblical cosmology.

There is a great tradition within Christianity often associated with Anselm of Cantebury, referred to as fides quaerens intellectum, faith seeking understanding of itself, or searching for its reasons. Among other things, this search points us to the operations of nature and the universe at large. I believe that both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI were/are firmly within this tradition.

Thus Creationism is the refuge of the ill and under educated; no wonder you think knowledge is so dangerous.
Sure. It's a refuge for undereducated, dimwitted, superstitious people like Karol Wojtyla and Joseph Ratzinger, for instance....

Your comment immediately above — "...Creationism is the refuge...." — is pure, unadulterated Bulverism — the assumption that your opponent's thoughts are "tainted" in some way (e.g., by ignorance, malice, incompetence, wishful thinking, lack of credentials, inferior education, superstition, being duped by someone, etc., etc.), but your own thoughts are not. Unlike your opponent's thoughts, yours are are pure and true.

And once again, I do not think knowledge per se is dangerous. It is only what men do with the knowledge they have that can make knowledge dangerous, because disordered men are dangerous. The fault, if there be one, is not in knowledge; it is in man's use of knowledge, the purposes to which he puts it.

To God be the Glory.

Amen!

358 posted on 05/14/2009 4:52:07 PM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: allmendream; Alamo-Girl; GodGunsGuts; tpanther; hosepipe; metmom; TXnMA; MHGinTN; xzins
A term I’ve come across to encapsulate your idea that scientific knowledge imperils the soul is...

Kiddo, if scientific knowledge and the desire to acquire more of it imperils my soul, then I am in very deep doo-doo indeed. :^)

Kindly stop beating your strawman with a stick....

359 posted on 05/14/2009 4:55:39 PM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: allmendream; betty boop
Gathering knowledge is certainly a peril for someones belief in Creationism,

What a blinded view of things.

Knowledge is not a peril for someone's belief in creationism, but brainwashing is. Don't confuse the ideological brainwashing that happens at universities with education and knowledge of facts.

as the more someone knows, especially about science, the less likely they are to be a Creationist.

You mean like Newton, Pasteur, Faraday, Mendel.....

Thus Creationism is the refuge of the ill and under educated;

On what do you base that assessment on? What scientific study results demonstrate that?

That's a rather odd statement in light of the observation of these threads alone that very few evos seem to have degrees in science if they even admit to what their degree is in in the first place, while creationists generally are forthright about their educational background and generally seem to have more qualifications to discuss science than the evos.

And if you are skeptical, ask them yourself.

...no wonder you think knowledge is so dangerous.

bb thinks what knowledge is dangerous? Who knew? Or do you always try to make your point by lying about people? Have you no better way of winning people to the evo side than by grossly misrepresenting the creationist side by making false accusations of what they believe?

I know bb has made her position clear and it is not what you claim. Why are you lying about her?

360 posted on 05/14/2009 5:08:00 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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