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To: allmendream; Alamo-Girl; GodGunsGuts; tpanther; hosepipe; metmom; TXnMA; MHGinTN; xzins; ...
You actually think scientific discovery imperils the soul?
No I do not think that at all. Reason is a gift of God. He gave it to us in order to appreciate and understand the splendor of what He has wrought, which at its foundation is an intelligible order, and thus amenable to discovery by means of the operations of reason.

What ill thought out and ignorant twaddle.
You said it — in the act of attributing to me something which is NOT my opinion, but the very reverse of my opinion.

The Heavens proclaim the glory of God.
Yes; and so does the Creation.

Gathering knowledge is certainly a peril for someones belief in Creationism, as the more someone knows, especially about science, the less likely they are to be a Creationist.
I can't endorse that observation. In my experience, the reverse has been true. That is, the more I know about science and mathematics, the more I'm convinced that God is the creator and sustainer of the universe. For example, I find the big bang/inflationary model corresponds exceptionally well with the biblical cosmology.

There is a great tradition within Christianity often associated with Anselm of Cantebury, referred to as fides quaerens intellectum, faith seeking understanding of itself, or searching for its reasons. Among other things, this search points us to the operations of nature and the universe at large. I believe that both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI were/are firmly within this tradition.

Thus Creationism is the refuge of the ill and under educated; no wonder you think knowledge is so dangerous.
Sure. It's a refuge for undereducated, dimwitted, superstitious people like Karol Wojtyla and Joseph Ratzinger, for instance....

Your comment immediately above — "...Creationism is the refuge...." — is pure, unadulterated Bulverism — the assumption that your opponent's thoughts are "tainted" in some way (e.g., by ignorance, malice, incompetence, wishful thinking, lack of credentials, inferior education, superstition, being duped by someone, etc., etc.), but your own thoughts are not. Unlike your opponent's thoughts, yours are are pure and true.

And once again, I do not think knowledge per se is dangerous. It is only what men do with the knowledge they have that can make knowledge dangerous, because disordered men are dangerous. The fault, if there be one, is not in knowledge; it is in man's use of knowledge, the purposes to which he puts it.

To God be the Glory.

Amen!

358 posted on 05/14/2009 4:52:07 PM PDT by betty boop (Tyranny is always whimsical. — Mark Steyn)
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To: betty boop; allmendream; Alamo-Girl; GodGunsGuts; tpanther; hosepipe; metmom; TXnMA; MHGinTN; ...

What a clear testimony to the Creator, betty!

The All-Seeing One has determined to be a step apart from us and to reveal Himself in the act seen by faith. “Oh the riches and wisdom of God!” Those who are lofty in their own eyes are brought low and those of humble spirit are exalted.

He has placed before humankind Jesus, the Son of Resurrection who has defeated death, so that whoever believes will likewise gain eternal life. Through mercy alone He opens the hearts of those who believe and are saved, yet the lost are so because they reject any promptings on His part.

Jesus is no many millions of years dead myth, but is One from within the pages of history. His witnesses proclaim the Glory of God in Christ.

Jesus is, then, the starting point of all knowledge for the events of His life are knowable through the pages written by eyewitnesses.

Creationism, theistic-evolutionism, intelligent designism, or some other ism explaining the beginnings of life are a curiosity. But all of them are subsumed under that which is within our own time.... because the Son has walked the earth in the age of men.


364 posted on 05/14/2009 5:27:45 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: betty boop
So you back away from your statement that Scientists are putting their soul in peril by learning and practicing science? The more educated one is, the less likely they are to believe in Creationism. And you apparently also need an education in the beliefs and statements of the last two Popes. Neither of them were a Creationist, both accepted the findings of the theory of evolution.
425 posted on 05/14/2009 8:46:09 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: betty boop
“Thus Creationism is the refuge of the ill and under educated; no wonder you think knowledge is so dangerous.”

“Sure. It's a refuge for undereducated, dimwitted, superstitious people like Karol Wojtyla and Joseph Ratzinger, for instance....” betty boop

Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that neither Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI were or are Creationists.

Perhaps you are unaware that my own position on science and Christianity is indistinguishable from theirs.

Here is Pope Benedict XVI (or Joseph Ratzinger if you prefer) on the subject....

“They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other,” the pope said. “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”

Pope Benedict XVI

Perhaps you are unaware that Pope John Paul II (or Karol Wojtyla if you prefer) is ALSO not a Creationist and accepted the findings of evolution.

“Today, more than a half century after this encyclical, new knowledge leads us to recognize in the theory of evolution more than a hypothesis. ... The convergence, neither sought nor induced, of results of work done independently one from the other, constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.”

and

‘if the origin of the human body is sought in living matter which existed before it, the spiritual soul is directly created by God.’ Consequently, the theories of evolution which, as a result of the philosophies which inspire them, consider the spirit as emerging from forces of living matter or as a simple epiphenomenon of this matter, are incompatible with the truth about man. They are moreover incapable of laying the foundation for the dignity of the person.”

Pope John Paul II

430 posted on 05/14/2009 9:02:43 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: betty boop
In my experience, the reverse has been true. That is, the more I know about science and mathematics, the more I'm convinced that God is the creator and sustainer of the universe. For example, I find the big bang/inflationary model corresponds exceptionally well with the biblical cosmology.

I agree!

Thank you so very much for your wonderful testimony and essay-post, dearest sister in Christ!

445 posted on 05/14/2009 9:51:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl

Ps 19: 1-4 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they display knowledge.

3 There is no speech or language
where their voice is not heard.

4 Their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.


467 posted on 05/15/2009 5:11:17 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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