Obama's Birth Certificate (new info?)

Western Center for Journalism via WND email | 25 March 2009 | Floyd Brown

[ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY]

I received this in an email from the folks at World Net Daily. While it was a solicitation to participate and donate for a fax campaign to the MSM, I found it to be an excellent summary of the issue. I have deleted all the solicitations:

Is the biggest political crime in American history taking place right before our eyes? Is the man in the White House INELIGIBLE, according to the Constitution, to sit in the Oval Office... is he a FRAUD... a USURPER?

Barack Hussein Obama could put the issue to rest right now by simply releasing his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

But he WON'T release his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. In fact, he is actively RESISTING efforts to compel him to release his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

He's dug in his heels. He has teams of lawyers fighting efforts to get him to release his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, while his underlings look down their noses at the American people and call these legitimate requests "garbage."

And the one pivotal question that those who attempt to dismiss the controversy cannot answer is:

If Barack Hussein Obama has nothing to hide, what's the problem? The more he resists, the more you have to wonder.

Meanwhile the liberal press is trying to drag this story into a dark alley and bludgeon it to death...

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Not Conspiracy Theories... Just The Facts...

Here are some of the disturbing facts surrounding Barack Hussein Obama's ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE — not rumors, not wild theories — just the FACTS.

FACT #1: Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, SPECIFICALLY states, "No person except a natural born citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President..." It's NOT a technicality, or lunacy on the part of our Founding Fathers. It is a specific statement within a document that forms the basis for ALL of our laws and not open to interpretation (unless the entire Constitution should be now open to interpretation).

FACT #2: In order to be a "natural born citizen," you must be born in the United States or, if you are born abroad, you CAN (if specific circumstances are met) inherit citizenship status from your parents. If he was born abroad, then that's a problem for Barack Hussein Obama because his father was NOT a citizen of the United States and his mother had not lived in the United States the required amount of time after attaining the age of consent when Obama was born - meaning SHE COULD NOT pass her citizenship on to Obama.

FACT #3: If Barack Hussein Obama WAS NOT born in the United States, he IS NOT a "natural born citizen" and if that is the case, Obama is guilty of perpetuating the most massive fraud in the history of the United States!

FACT #4: Barack Hussein Obama has ACTIVELY REFUSED to show his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE to the people who elected him. Under Hawaiian law, only Obama can legally release the document but HE JUST WON'T DO IT! Why not?

FACT #5: Obama has multiple teams of lawyers helping him shield the document from the prying eyes of the American people. Why?

FACT #6: Instead of producing an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, Team Obama produced another document — a "Certification of Live Birth" — and said, in effect, "Here's his Birth Certificate! Now shut up!"

And when it comes to FACT #6, Team Obama engaged in a sleight-of-hand that is going unnoticed by the American people, because the liberal media refuses to scrutinize the actions of Barack Hussein Obama.

A CERTIFICATION of Live Birth and a Birth Certificate (A CERTIFICATE of Live Birth)... [notice the difference in the words "certification" and "certificate"] ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.

A CERTIFICATION of Live Birth - the document that Team Obama produced - is a document that essentially proves that you exist and Barack Hussein Obama most certainly EXISTS - that point is not in dispute.

A CERTIFICATE of Live Birth (an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE) - on the other hand contains more information. It gives the specific location of your birth, the hospital, the time of birth, the attending physician etc.

For purposes of illustration see the images below. The image on the left is the CERTIFICATION of Live Birth that Team Obama released and the image on the right is a redacted copy of an actual CERTIFICATE of Live Birth (an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE) from the State of Hawaii from approximately the same time that Obama was born.

[SORRY, I COULDN'T GET THE IMAGES TO COPY OVER]

So what's the big deal?

Simply put, a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth CAN contain ERRORS.

The State of Hawaii provides a concrete example of this point! Hawaii maintains programs to encourage property ownership for native Hawaiians.

And pursuant to those programs, the Hawaii Department of Home Lands (DHHL) states the following on its website:

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

If the State of Hawaii DOES NOT accept its own CERTIFICATION of Live Birth as proof that an individual was actually born in Hawaii, why should we? If Hawaii REQUIRES an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE , WHY SHOULDN'T WE??

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Transparency Indeed...

Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, states in part, "No person except a natural born citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President."

That means neither Arnold Schwarzenegger nor George Soros can be President of the United States. Not EVER! Neither can Osama bin Laden. It also means, as previously stated, that IF Barack Obama was born outside the United States, he is not eligible to be President of the United States.

And Obama's paternal grandmother said, she was present at Obama's birth, which took place in Mombasa in what is now Kenya.

So where was Obama born?

Only an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE can answer that question (not the Certification of Live Birth that Obama produced) — and Obama has multiple teams of lawyers dedicated to the proposition that nobody — but NOBODY — gets to see the one document that can clear up this controversy. That's INSANE!

It's OUTRAGEOUS that Obama continues to cover up the document! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO CONCLUDE THAT HE'S HIDING SOMETHING!

In his grandiose MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES, Obama proclaimed:

"SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government: My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government."

Just pretty words. They mean absolutely nothing to Barack Obama, the non-transparent president — IF INDEED HE IS THE PRESIDENT.

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Is This Whole Controversy Such A Big Deal Or Much Ado About Nothing?

IT WAS for John McCain!

You may still remember that the liberal media make a HUGE DEAL out of the fact that McCain was born in the Canal Zone, while his father, a Naval officer, was stationed there. The liberal media relentlessly questioned whether or not McCain met the constitutional test?

But John McCain - unlike Obama - released all relevant records!

While the Canal Zone was not American soil, McCain's parents were both American citizens who had resided in the United States for the required number of years after having reached the age of majority! McCain was good to go.

Can we say the same for Obama? And why isn't the liberal media asking that question?

Strangely, it may have been the liberal media's willingness to savage McCain over the issue that eventually brought this whole controversy to light.

When Obama's grandmother claimed Obama was born in Kenya, the McCain controversy was still fresh in the minds of people who wondered - and are still wondering - why the same standard was NOT being applied to Obama.

But, as the American people are coming to know, you are simply not allowed to criticize or scrutinize "the messiah" or hold "the chosen one" up to any standard.

Now, just raising what was a legitimate question in regards to John McCain makes you a conspiracy theorist or nut when it comes to Obama.

Please understand, no one is saying that Obama is NOT a "natural born citizen." What we're saying is we just don't KNOW, BECAUSE BARACK "MR. TRANSPARENCY" OBAMA WILL NOT RELEASE HIS ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

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More Questions....

Not to confound or confuse the issue but here's a complicating twist: the State of Hawaii permits parents to obtain a "birth certificate," EVEN IF THE CHILD WAS NOT BORN IN HAWAII.

Below is the relevant statute:

"[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."

When queried, Dr Chiyome Fukino, with Hawaii's Department of Health, stated:

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Okay, an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE exists. Great... why can't the American people see it since it will clearly indicate the specific place of birth?

As for Obama's inner circle, they offer a quick, arrogant reply to anyone who asks about the rumors surrounding Obama's birth certificate (and this is a direct quote):

"All I can tell you is that it is just pure garbage."

Writer Jerome Corsi, pursuing this story, raised the following question: "If Barack Obama was born in Africa, wouldn't there be a birth certificate on file there?" So Corsi hopped a plane to Kenya, where he spent most of his time in a holding area, the next thing to a prisoner. His hotel room was ransacked. He was questioned by the police. But he was never permitted to search for a birth certificate.

Maybe he didn't reckon on Obama's cousin, Raila Odinga. Covering up a birth would have been a piece of cake to Odinga, who has been charged with ethnic cleansing against Kenyan Christians.

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Even More Questions....

Janet Porter, writing for WorldNetDaily.com, raises additional issues. This may be convoluted, but it is well-worth examining, if only to see the tangled web Obama has woven for himself and the American people.

"'There's the matter that Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan, Southern India and Kenya in 1981. He said he went to Indonesia to see his mother. This seemed plausible, except for the fact that his mother returned to Hawaii in August of 1980 to file for a divorce from her second husband, Lolo Soetoro. Unless she went back to pal around with the man she divorced, she wasn't there at the time of Obama's visit."

"'There's another problem. No record of Obama holding an American passport prior to the one he received once becoming a U.S. senator has been found. If he traveled to Pakistan with an American passport, he wouldn't have been allowed in — since Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and under martial law. It was also on the State Department's travel ban list for U.S. citizens.... If he couldn't get into Pakistan with a U.S. passport, perhaps he went there with an Indonesian passport. But the only way you can get one of those is if you are an Indonesian citizen.'"

Remember how Dan Rather and CBS News took a lie about George Bush's military service record and twisted it into a major news story? Remember how the New York Times put an old rumor about John McCain on its front page and tried to make it a major issue in the campaign?

In sharp contrast, see how the New York Times and CBS News have run from this story like a rabbit runs from a coyote.

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Saving The United States Of America....

If Obama was in fact born in Kenya, the information may save the United States from bankruptcy: Since Obama's inauguration on Jan. 20, stocks have plummeted to catastrophic lows.

The Dow has fallen 20.4 percent. Investors have lost an estimated $2.5 trillion in market value.

All because an arrogant young man — obsessed with 19th century Marxism — is trying to wreck the United States of America.

But suppose he isn't legally president after all? Then that fact would surely nullify all his official acts, and acts he plans to put into place, including the following: His recent executive order rescinding the Mexico City Policy and committing U.S. taxpayers to fund abortion worldwide;

His upcoming appointments, including FCC members who might attempt to shut down conservative talk radio;

Any treaty he might sign that would weaken our defenses in an increasingly dangerous world;

And the signing of legislation giving amnesty to illegal aliens.

[ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY]

“He traveled on an Indonesian passport.”

We don’t know that for sure. However, it’s a reasonable speculation because, as you say, he was adopted by an Indonesian man.

[conservativegramma]

What makes you think its not being investigated? Also, why should anyone be able to look at what Orly or Pidgeon has while an investigation is underway??? That would compromise the investigation. Only an obamabot would seek the release of this information so they could then destroy it and protect Obama. Precisely WHY this stuff is under lock and key -- we 'birthers' are not that stupid.

2ndly, while Obama may not be required to release his birth certificate - neither was McCain required to do so when the DNC began yelling he wasn't qualfied almost a year ago. McCain did not dig in his heels and refuse to release his information, nor did McCain hire a team of lawyers to keep his information hidden. This refusal by Obama to provide the proof that he qualfies as McCain did are actions that prove guilt which is why this controversy is growing. Since Obama is the ONLY ONE who can release this information the burden of proof is indeed on him - no one else.

If I were an Obama supporter I would be insisting that Obama release ALL of his documentation -- birth certificate, school records, selective service registration, EVERYTHING. After all he claims 'transparency' does he not? So prove it, anything less is total hypocrisy and arrogance and the american people know it.

Face it, the more he continues to claim a transparent administration and refuses to release ANY of this documentation proves guilt and more and more americans are jumping on the birther bandwagon and this issue will not die nor will it go away until he does.

Question for you. Why should a child playing soccer have to submit a certified birth certificate and a President of the United States capable of launching nuclear war NOT have to???? You're going to have to do better than that.

[ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY]

If she ever gets her day in court, Orly Taitz’s information about 0bama’s declaration on official paperwork that he has NEVER used any other names when, in fact, he used several various names in the past, is going to be his downfall. She has, on those papers signed by him, rock solid evidence for a FELONY conviction!

[conservativegramma]

Yep. The big question is: WILL she ever see her day in court???

[blueyon]

“Can he be impeached over ineligibility ? That may be the last recourse to save this country.”

I wish but then that might mean we get a Pres Binden and VP Pelosi That would suck! Besides congress will just CHANGE the rules and let him stay. As one freeper said, the best thing would be if when he leaves the country for that G20 summit, he is not aloud back in!!!

[Stayfree]

Obamanation also refuses to release any other records, transcripts, applications etc. which might indicate his citizenship, nationality or religion, including any records which might reveal the sources of income, tuition, student financial information, etc.

[TheCipher]

I think they did. Most of the adresses are to businesess. The 5324 S Kimbark Ave, Chicago, IL for example is Btg Properties, a nonresidential building operator. The 042 SS number is listed as the number he used when he was living in Massachusetts attending Harvard. They had the complete number ( I think the last 4 digits are redated for the report ). They traced it and found it is issued to a 118 year old man ( or one that would be 118 if he was still living ).

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Yep. I would looooooove to see his college records.

[Eagle Eye]

Who is going to bring that issue to congress?

And who in congress is going to vote on it?

[ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY]

“Besides congress will just CHANGE the rules and let him stay.”

Sorry, but that “RULE” is in the Constitution; something Congress can’t change by itself!

[alancarp]

"Procedurally duly elected and sworn in,..."

Yes, but only because the Democrat party chose to undertake fraud in nominating BO as their candidate. In effect, the party assumed (or ignored) his eligibility question -- choosing instead to assume that the first black (or at least half black) candidate would win the election, and thus sweep them into power.

My personal frustration is that there is no court will to take the case or procedurally declare any plaintiff to have sufficient standing to bring suit. Surely there is a means to enforce a Constitutional provision. But since we have (a) a willing Congress; (b) a willing media; (c) a complicit court... I frankly wonder if the Constitution has now been rendered meaningless in most regards.

Ladies and gentlemen, the country has been overthrown and it happened right in front of our eyes.

[nathanbedford]

You mention standing. I have posted my belief that the Supreme Court would be wrong in finding that plaintiffs have no standing. When one considers that the president of the United States sends our sons and daughters in harm's way, perhaps to be killed, it seems to me that everybody had standing. When Obama' s finger is only inches away from the red button on the nuclear football, it seems to me we all have standing.

With respect to your point about the Constitution disappearing before our eyes, I would be very interested in reading Mark Levin's new book, "Liberty and Tyranny."

Among the doctrines of The Frankfurt School is the concept of The Critical Theory which inculcates cynicism and leads inexorably to nihilism. Any bed rock, any sure foothold on reality should be done away with. So, if this controversy diminishes our respect for the Constitution it has served the left-I would not say that is true if it only diminishes our respect for the Supreme Court.

[allouchsit]

Also, HRS §338-17.8 did not become Hawaiian law until 1982 and therefore has nothing to do with Obama.

[alancarp]

I absolutely agree. This is Government “by the people/for the people” — ALL citizens should have standing to take the government on legitimate constitutional questions.

[dmz]

Your comments are a demonstration of my tongue in cheek reference to hiding out in an undisclosed location.

You know that Obama was not required to provide proof, you say so, and then you seem to be trying to play ‘gotcha’ with the kid playing rec soccer having to provide more documentation than the president.

Frankly, I think anyone running for public office should have to provide basic proof of eligibility. Unfortunately, without an ex post facto law (something we don’t typically favor here at FR), Obama will not have to do so, unless one is passed prior to the next presidential election cycle.

[Vaduz]

Constitution of the United States 1776-2008.

[sheik yerbouty]

Yes, but that would be the next to the last recourse..

[anniegetyourgun]

Yep - without a shot.

[xtinct]

In addition to the questions about his birth certificate, I'm surprised that no one has questioned his education.

He says he has a law degree from Harvard. How does one achieve that without knowing how many states make up America?

He says he taught Constitutional Law. Why doesn't he know that the 14th Amendment prohibits taxing groups you don't like.... e.g. AIG employees, smokers

Why doesn't he know that legislation is introduced by members of Congress... not the Executive Branch and definitely not the Treasury....

Entirely too many small things keep cropping up... The guy is a fraud....

[EGPWS]

Just accept that the first “solar” powered aircraft carrier built will be named after the messiah and get over it. /s