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Unrest in Caribbean has roots in slavery past
AP via Yahoo ^ | 02/22/09 | JONATHAN M. KATZ and DANICA COTO

Posted on 02/22/2009 10:14:10 AM PST by Abathar

POINTE-A-PITRE, Guadeloupe – Protests that have nearly shut down the French Caribbean islands of Guadeloupe and Martinique are not just about demands for lower prices and higher wages: For demonstrators they are no less than a battle against the vestiges of slavery.

Afro-Caribbean islanders — most of whose forbears toiled in the sugarcane fields under the yoke of slavery more than 160 years ago — not only resent France's handling of the global economic crisis, they have long resented that slaveholders' descendants control the economy on both islands.

They also suspect that businesses earn too high a profit on goods, most of which are imported.

This resentment against slaveholder descendants, known as bekes (bay-KAY) has lent an especially sharp edge to weeks of demonstrations that at times have erupted in gunfire, arson, looting, and the death of one activist in Guadeloupe.

"They've got the money, they've got the power, they've got Guadeloupe," snapped protester Lollia Naily. "This is not a race thing. It is a money thing and it is a power thing."

Protesters in Martinique also have rejected the bekes, with frequent chants of "Martinique is ours, not theirs!" Bekes own most industries in Martinique — but represent only about 1 percent of the island's 401,000 residents.

Deep economic and social disparities divide France from its overseas possessions: Unemployment in Guadeloupe is about 23 percent, compared with 8 percent on mainland France, and 12 percent of islanders live in poverty, compared with 6 percent of mainlanders, according to the most recent statistics.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carribean; france; guadeloupe; martinique
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France will cave in to them, I am betting we see another South Africa in the making here.
1 posted on 02/22/2009 10:14:10 AM PST by Abathar
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To: Abathar

Those poor people. If we could only put them out of their misery.


2 posted on 02/22/2009 10:19:51 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: ßuddaßudd
"If we could only put them out of their misery."

Move them to North Dakota in January and really give them something to b*tch about?

3 posted on 02/22/2009 10:21:27 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: ßuddaßudd

and ours as well.


4 posted on 02/22/2009 10:21:59 AM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: Abathar

it’s always the whites fault.

In areas that are really dark like Haiti, Jamaica and Domican Republic, it becomes blame the shades...the lighter the more blame worthy.

or blame Indians, Chinese, Maronites and Sephardic Jewish communities that often prosper in a sea of dark people.

The Negro race plays this blame gang everywhere they are and wherever it suits them.

Blame the colonial, blame the creole, blame the Mullatto and so forth

sometimes it leads to brutal hand wrought personal violence the likes we rarely see here in the US.

even Rwanda had shades of this...not so much color although some would argue the Tutsis were a hair lighter and less bush looking. the Tutsis were more successful, more educated, controlled more and had a history of being more compatible with the colonials and more “act white”

I’ve lived in and observed this sorta thing all my life and it ain’t pretty....

just look at America...rare is the “black leader” who is not at least 1/4 to 1/2 white or at least appears to be mullatto....they get scorned too with redbone and high yella and all that talk


5 posted on 02/22/2009 10:22:04 AM PST by wardaddy (I feel like a Boer but this time white northern liberals are playing the English)
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To: Abathar

The unrest has its roots in Marxism and the Marxist labor unions. They’re engaged in “miserification,” that is, making things so miserable (by driving away the tourist trade and creating a lawless country) that everybody will turn to Marxism as their savior.

That said, the French were not good colonists. Both Spanish and British colonies were moving ahead to devolution to the majority inhabitants - until the rise of modern Marxism (which has since swept both of those countries’ former colonies) threw everything off. But French colonies were always dysfunctional.


6 posted on 02/22/2009 10:26:02 AM PST by livius
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Haitians that I know are among the most hard working folks of a “category” that I have ever encountered. Also among the brightest.

Haitians put an end to slavery on the island of Hispaniola. Their rewards and recognition for that are listed below on this post.

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...and so on.......

7 posted on 02/22/2009 10:29:00 AM PST by Radix (22;22 EST, 13 Feb 2009, C-Span2, Silent wait for Sen to come bury USA after burying his Mom)
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To: wardaddy

So politically un-correct of you, there are lib lurkers who would like to take you out behind the woodshed for what you just said.

And it was the spot on truth too.


8 posted on 02/22/2009 10:29:06 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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Bekes own most industries in Martinique — but represent only about 1 percent of the island's 401,000 residents

Here' the actual demographics of the two islands....not as dark as this author tries to submit

Guadelupe
Black / Mulatto 69%
White 11%
from Tamil Nadu and other parts of India 14%
Lebanese / Syrians 4%
Chinese / others

Martinique

Ethnic groups:
African and African-white-Indian mixture 90%,
white 5%,
Indian Tamil or East Indian,
Chinese less than 5%

9 posted on 02/22/2009 10:30:02 AM PST by wardaddy (I feel like a Boer but this time white northern liberals are playing the English)
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"Afro-Caribbean islanders — most of whose forbears toiled in the sugarcane fields under the yoke of slavery more than 160 years ago — not only resent France's handling of the global economic crisis, they have long resented that slaveholders' descendants control the economy on both islands."

"They've got the money, they've got the power, they've got Guadeloupe," snapped protester Lollia Naily. "This is not a race thing. It is a money thing and it is a power thing."

I am so sick of these poor, downtrodden ancestors of slaves complaining about having no control.

Their ancestors had the entire continent of Africa under their control.

Whose fault is it but theirs that they didn't develop it into something other than huts, generational poverty, disease, superstition and corruption?

10 posted on 02/22/2009 10:30:29 AM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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Move them to North Dakota in January and really give them something to b*tch about?

Funny, but have pity on ND; it sounds like they would be more at home in Vermont.

11 posted on 02/22/2009 10:31:05 AM PST by ex91B10
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To: Radix

Exactly what “category” would that be?


12 posted on 02/22/2009 10:33:05 AM PST by G.Mason
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To: bimboeruption
"Whose fault is it but theirs that they didn't develop it into something other than huts, generational poverty, disease, superstition and corruption?"

Evidently the closest white man they can point to and scream at, wherever in the world they are living at the time.

13 posted on 02/22/2009 10:33:20 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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"Whose fault is it but theirs that they didn't develop it into something other than huts, generational poverty, disease, superstition and corruption?"

Evidently the closest white man they can point to and scream at, wherever in the world they are living at the time.

White men have been "castrated" by jealous slackers because they worked hard to advance their lifestyles and society.

What a twisted, perverted world we live in.

14 posted on 02/22/2009 10:43:43 AM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: wardaddy
In areas that are really dark like Haiti, Jamaica and Domican Republic, it becomes blame the shades...the lighter the more blame worthy.
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just look at America...rare is the “black leader” who is not at least 1/4 to 1/2 white or at least appears to be mullatto....they get scorned too with redbone and high yella and all that talk

Both comments are SPOT ON!

The first time I heard the "N-word" (God, how cowed we now are) in public was as a kid in NYC in the mid-'40s. My dad was in the merchant service then and from his experiences there, held a low opinion of Africans, calling them his own slur of "Blacks", which is what I used . The "N-word" was considered "po buckra" (white trash according to my Southern mom).

I was sitting in the john at school one day and heard two guys arguing and one guy says, "You think you're hot stuff when you ain't nuthin but an 'N'!" I thought, boy there's gonna be a fight between a black and white guy and looked out. The argument was between a black guy and a mulatto.

I was in Haiti in the '50s and even then the poverty was stunning as well as its hatred towards the lighter skinned natives, who as you point out, were the dominant class.

15 posted on 02/22/2009 10:47:06 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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I guess it will take a boat load of Viagra and loose tennis shoes to satisfy them. It won't be long till those places will no longer be island paradises and become island hells to white visitors. I read an article years ago that stated that many of the residents of the Caribbean Islands were descendants of Irish and African slaves. Over a million Irish were sent to the New World as slaves by the British. The Irish/African mixed slaves were valued highly. Gubermint edukasion I guess has omitted some of the pertinent information.
16 posted on 02/22/2009 10:47:41 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Abathar

Go ahead and let them “take control”, just as mugabes supporters have “taken control” of the farms. Then let them starve because that’s exactly what will happen.


17 posted on 02/22/2009 10:50:57 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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Exactly like South Africa.

Once a jewel of the continent, now it’s a hell-hole that any decent civilized person would flee in a heartbeat given the chance.


18 posted on 02/22/2009 10:52:52 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Radix
Haitians put an end to slavery on the island of Hispaniola.

Yes, but the guy who overthrew the slaveholders in Haiti went on to become a dictator himself.
19 posted on 02/22/2009 10:56:19 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Abathar

Odd, is it not, how cash is seen to be palliative of the supposed “wounds of slavery?” The pattern of course is all too familiar: a poorly educated, low skilled, insular minority makes demands in the name of grievances rooted in history. Since the past cannot be changed, such grievances are ever ready to be trotted out as the basis for new demands.


20 posted on 02/22/2009 11:03:36 AM PST by Rockingham
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