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Day 3 of the resistance. Wolverines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 posted on 11/07/2008 4:32:13 AM PST by Perseverando
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If we cut spending with our military and use the savings to fund this new 'civilian national security force', what will we have saved and why do it at all? Where do our state militias fall in all this? Wouldn't they be considered 'civilian national security forces'? What about our National Guard?

I'm very suspicious of this 'new' group and dislike cutting funding to our military.

Isn't one of our rights the right to a strong defense? Isn't trying to undermine and underfund our military unconstitutional?

2 posted on 11/07/2008 4:38:21 AM PST by Netizen (PRAY AND WORK HARD - MILLIONS OF MOOCHERS DEPEND ON YOU.)
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I believe in selective filibusters. This is one time to use it.


3 posted on 11/07/2008 4:40:35 AM PST by henkster (Lawyers will lead the Marxist revolution, armed with subpoenas...)
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Curious. Wondering if Obama is planning this “Civilian National Security Force” as contrived logic to state with such in place there isn’t any need for Americans to own guns?

He is a gun grabber. Might be just the basis of his ruse.


4 posted on 11/07/2008 4:42:25 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, Call 'em what you will, they ALL have Fairies livin' in their Trees.)
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The far left dreams of destroying our military, and we have just elected the most far left person in our government, and one of the most far left people on the face of this planet.

So of course they are now making plans to bring their dreams to fruition.

5 posted on 11/07/2008 4:43:27 AM PST by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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Reminds me of Germany..

Never ever proposed by any other President...In fact, goes against the "No standing Army" of our forefathers.

8 posted on 11/07/2008 4:44:32 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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Note to the ‘Rats, I have a four digit number for y’all: 2010 :)


9 posted on 11/07/2008 4:44:38 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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Talk like this really has to worry nations like Aphganistan, Taiwan, Israel, the Ukraine, Georgia, Checkoslavakia, Poland, Lithuiania, Latvia and Estonia.


10 posted on 11/07/2008 4:44:57 AM PST by NRG1973
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WND can make a fortune fomenting citizen fear of the US government instead of its usual foreign terrorist attack scare tactics.


11 posted on 11/07/2008 4:45:51 AM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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"...a "civilian national security force" that would be as powerful, strong and well-funded as the Army, Marines, Navy and Air Force..."

Uh, against whom would such power be used, Barney? You would use massive military-like force against citizens in this country? When we can't even "spy" on them by monitoring their calls to terror suspects overseas?

Something seriously wrong here...

13 posted on 11/07/2008 4:46:30 AM PST by DJ Frisat (I don't run in the Special Olympics and I don't try to reason with liberals.)
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Occupying the country with a Federally controlled army. The insanity of this is mind boggling. What about posse comitatus? I guess he’ll have to wait for the system to be developed under the guise of community activism and simultaneously stack the judiciary more before arming the brownshirts. The history of tyranny is trying to repeat itself.


17 posted on 11/07/2008 4:47:01 AM PST by allmost
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This article seems to talk about the issues with a civilian “national security force” in terms of $$. But what about purpose? How is this different from Dept of Homeland Security, FBI, Border Patrol, and police? My fear is that this is a Gestapo of some kind, devoted to special projects, like: confiscating guns, monitoring media (including Internet) for “fairness”, enforcing “tolerance”, etc. Whatever the rationale, fighting terrorism will be a distant second.


18 posted on 11/07/2008 4:47:01 AM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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One day within the next 4 years the American people are going to be saying WTF have we done?


23 posted on 11/07/2008 4:50:52 AM PST by sirchtruth (Vote Conservative Repuplican!!)
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Makes sense.

Look for a charter that attempts to mimic the US military with the tiny removal of posse comitatus. Add to this all the worst parts of the ‘patriot’ act, and stand by for heavy rolls.

Change, you bet...
hope, not much...
yes they can, cause the electorate said they could.


27 posted on 11/07/2008 4:54:41 AM PST by petro45acp (Hunkered down in occupied Virginia!)
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The Obama Gestapo. This is his way of saying we now have a well regulated militia and thus citizens no longer need guns, turn them in.
29 posted on 11/07/2008 4:55:36 AM PST by RetiredArmy (America is entering four very long and cold years. First victim: liberty)
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Posse comitatus keeps the Department of Defense from enforcing civilain laws. The U.S. Coast Guard is a military force in the Dept. of Homelan Security. The Coast Guard can and does board your boat without a warrant even it it is tied up at a dock and you live on it. During heavy Mississippi river flooding a decade ago, the Army Corps of Engineers requested The Coast Guard provide boarding officers with force authorized qualifications to provide security if the Corps decided to blow the levees upstream to flood farmland areas and relieve the pressure on cities. The Obama administration can either rescind posse comitatus or transfer military, maybe National Guard, to a non Defense Dept. agency and bingo, you have a National SWAT team with armored vehicles and (black) helicopters. Worked real well at Waco huh? The question is, what makes Obama think he's going to need this kind of force?
33 posted on 11/07/2008 4:57:06 AM PST by dblshot
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Day 3 of the resistance. Wolverines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JOIN THE RESISTANCE

35 posted on 11/07/2008 4:57:39 AM PST by TheCipher
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Gee, if we have a civilian militia, does that mean there will be no more need for individuals to keep/bear firearms?
The State will protect all of us?
Couple that with an assault on the 2nd amendment from a revised Supreme Court and you begin to see a game plan.


38 posted on 11/07/2008 4:59:12 AM PST by louie2
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Mark my words. There is no doubt in my mind that if he puts this into practice it will start the second American Civil War.


40 posted on 11/07/2008 5:00:09 AM PST by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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NO!
45 posted on 11/07/2008 5:05:26 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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A good article on the civillian security force is at http://volokh.com/posts/1216451854.shtml . I think it will be a giant boondoggle, but I don’t think the intention is to create a parallel military to oppress Americans at home.


48 posted on 11/07/2008 5:06:08 AM PST by reaganaut1
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