Posted on 09/11/2008 9:55:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Sept 10, 2008 — Astrobiologist David Deamer believes that life can spontaneously emerge without design, but he thinks lay people are too uneducated to understand how this is possible, so he gives them the watered-down version of Darwin’s natural selection instead, which he knows is inadequate to explain the complexity of life. That’s what he seemed to be telling reporter Susan Mazur in an interview for the Scoop (New Zealand). Is the lay public really too dense for the deeper knowledge of how evolution works?...
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“That must explain all the legislative initiatives attempting to allow creationism to be taught as an alternative.”
>>>>>>>>>Exactly. Christians are finally realizing they’re citizens too, able to participate in what is taught in schools also.
AND what is “permissable” in public. Like nativity scenes in public squares.
As I’ve stated, the tipping point has been tipped. When lunatics began demanding crosses be removed from Federal Cemeteries and Christmas be banned from school calendars, I believe decent normal people finally realized ‘enough is enough’.
www.thomasmore.org
www.aclj.org
www.catholicleague.org
Godless liberal atheists don’t own science, or govt. or law or ANYTHING but their own destiny.
By the way, how’s Louisiana doing at coming up with alternatives to evolution, now that teaching alternatives is legal? What do you suppose they’ll teach as an alternative to Darwinism?
>>>>>>Again I invite you to contact the people in Louisiana, I live in Georgia.
But the best answer is...WHAT THEY WANT to teach to their own children....for starters, realize this fundamental truth and work from there.
“That must explain all the legislative initiatives attempting to allow creationism to be taught as an alternative.”
>>>>>>>>>Exactly. Christians are finally realizing they’re citizens too, able to participate in what is taught in schools also.
AND what is “permissable” in public. Like nativity scenes in public squares.
As I’ve stated, the tipping point has been tipped. When lunatics began demanding crosses be removed from Federal Cemeteries and Christmas be banned from school calendars, I believe decent normal people finally realized ‘enough is enough’.
www.thomasmore.org
www.aclj.org
www.catholicleague.org
Godless liberal atheists don’t own science, or govt. or law or ANYTHING but their own destiny.
By the way, how’s Louisiana doing at coming up with alternatives to evolution, now that teaching alternatives is legal? What do you suppose they’ll teach as an alternative to Darwinism?
>>>>>>Again I invite you to contact the people in Louisiana, I live in Georgia.
But the best answer is...WHAT THEY WANT to teach to their own children....for starters, realize this fundamental truth and work from there.
Playing innocent doesn’t wear well.
Creation has been edged out through litigation for decades starting with the Scopes trials. Until then it was taught in public schools across this country. The only reason it’s not being taught in schools now is because it’s been sued out, NOT because the majority of parents want it out.
Parents have been voting to allow creation BACK in schools as it used to be taught for years and every time, someone files a lawsuit faster than you can say ACLU.
An evolutionist complaining about enforcing the teaching of anything through legislation is the height of absurdity for several reasons.
First is that they don’t hesitate to use force themselves, so it’s very hypocritical for them to complain about someone else pushing back.
Second, using legislation to get something done is the proper way of doing things. Misusing the judiciary and holding school districts hostage, basically, through the threat of financial ruin through frivolous lawsuits is unconscionable.
You need to review your government and the responsibilities of each branch.
The other thing is, this is a representative republic. The parents have the right to vote to allow the teaching of creation BACK into schools. Actually, they shouldn’t even have been forced into that position but they were. No one came up and asked them to give it up. No, they were sued into it. Using the judiciary to force them to capitulate to the demands of a small elitist group is inexcusable and smacks of communism and socialism.
Last but not least, evos are great about complaining when they think that some Christian or creationist wants to impose their world view on the evo (ie. the dreaded *theocracy*) , but are great in justifying why they should be allowed to impose their worldview on the Christian or creationist.
The hypocrisy is staggering.
Interesting! I was aware of the engineered (e.g. lab created) strain of e.coli that was being investigated for alternative fuels research, but was not aware that "citrus e.coli" had arisen naturally, and that it was anything other than e.coli. Could you please provide a reference?
While numerous strains of e.coli have been observed, but they are still identifiable as e.coli. Are there examples of e.coli "evolving" into something other that e.coli, and not other strains of e.coli?
Indeed. Well said!
‘blah blah blah’ = ‘somebody just got pwned’
I wonder who...
You know who usually files those lawsuits, don't you? Parents. Parents who often, as in Dover, turn right around and vote out the school board who snuck creation in. But I guess parents' wishes only count when they wish for the same thing you do.
The other thing is, this is a representative republic.
Yes, with provisions for the protection of the rights of minorities.
Using the judiciary to force them to capitulate to the demands of a small elitist group is inexcusable and smacks of communism and socialism.
Reeeeally? Communist societies are characterized by minorities taking their grievances to the court system for protection against the tyranny of the majority? Do tell.
An important part of any scientific endeavor should be the ability to use any output as an explanatory tool for other observed phenomena.
Applying evolutionary and plate tectonic theory to the observed biodiversity surrounding the so-called ´Wallace Line´in S.E. Asia/Australasia provides a coherent and well founded explanation for the different species found there.
How does creationist theory approach this phenomena and what are the results?
God did it.
I don't have a problem with teaching evolution IN ADDITION to creation.
What we have here instead, is a case where the rights and wishes of ONE minority transcend the rights and wishes of the majority and any other minority; where the rights of ONE minority are granted to the exclusion of the rights and wishes of any other group.
If the rights and wishes of the minority were to be protected and represented, then evolution would be taught in the schools IN ADDITION to creation, not instead of it and the rights and wishes of ALL the minorities would be represented as well as evolution. A representative republic doesn't mean that one minority should be given preferential treatment over all others.
Besides, if the minority evo only group of parents wants only evolution taught in their schools, they are free to start their own evolution only schools where no mention of God is allowed; or to homeschool.
It's the same option that they throw up to Christians and creationists. If it's good enough for Christians and creationists, then it's a good enough option for the evo only crowd.
It's a free country, they're allowed to do that and then they can have the kind of education they want their kids to have in their own private schools, while the majority can have the kind they want in THEIR public schools. Nobody is forcing the evolution only people to send their kids to the public schools.
Filing lawsuits to force their own viewpoint on others at the others expense is unconscionable. It's a waste of taxpayer money, hurting already cash strapped schools. They're being totally irresponsible with the use of the schools time, money, and resources just to force their point of view on others.
Only a liberal could approve of the heavy hand of the government in the form of thought control and that is NOT a representative republic. That's communism.
Hey, newb.
I can’t believe you joined FR the other day just to post this one ridiculous comment on an evo thread.
It looks like this thread is a newb/retread magnet.
Had an account since Aug 1 and waited this long to post one comment on and evo thread?
The only reason you think it funny is because you are incapable of critical-thinking yourself.
Way to welcome a new guy! Attack him instead of addressing his post.
Nope. The relevant question was your misrepresentation of what I wrote. All other comments were inferior to that.
"So what is it about a high mutation rate that would confer a survival advantage to a bacteria under stress?"
It is obvious that it is searching a 'design-space' for potential alternatives, much like a Thompson Array; an intelligently-designed search method.
Perhaps you could also address that to your compatriots.
I recall my introduction to the crevo threads wasn’t nearly as warm and welcoming and still isn’t for newbs.
I just love how evos have two sets of standards, one for them and one for everyone else.
It shows up time and again.
Yeah, I’m shy. So what?
Now that you’ve jumped in, feel free to have a go at answering the question and/or explaining why its ridiculous.
I love your tagline. Who says God doesn’t have a sense of humor.
Oh? I never said that your comment was ridiculous. That was addressed to another poster.
Or is your alternate account Mitch2008 and you got them confused?
Shy? No. Not for someone who jumps into a crevo thread as their first and (up til then) post.
You know who usually files those lawsuits, don’t you? Parents. Parents who often, as in Dover, turn right around and vote out the school board who snuck creation in. But I guess parents’ wishes only count when they wish for the same thing you do.
BS!
Micheal Newdow was indeed a parent, but his daughter had no problem with ‘Under God’ in the pledge...he’s a slimy godless liberal lawyer angry at God, and THAT is his agenda.
The Georgia ACLU threatened our school board to remove the word Christmas from the school calendar, NO parents were made aware of these godless liberals hijacking the law.
Yes, with provisions for the protection of the rights of minorities.
>>>>>>But NOT at the exclusion of everyone else.
Communist societies are characterized by minorities taking their grievances to the court system for protection against the tyranny of the majority? Do tell.
>>>>>Tell us how Christmas in a school’s calendar is tyranny?
Tell us how offering an alternative THEORY for debate is tyranny.
And they’re NOT “taking their grievances to the court system”, they’re HIJACKING it.
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