Posted on 08/13/2008 9:44:45 AM PDT by Sopater
A federal judge has ruled the University of California can deny course credit to Christian high school graduates who have been taught with textbooks that reject evolution and declare the Bible infallible, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
U.S. District Judge James Otero of Los Angeles ruled Friday that the school's review committees did not discriminate against Christians because of religious viewpoints when it denied credit to those taught with certain religious textbooks, but instead made a legitimate claim that the texts failed to teach critical thinking and omitted important science and history topics.
Charles Robinson, the university's vice president for legal affairs, told the Chronicle that the ruling "confirms that UC may apply the same admissions standards to all students and to all high schools without regard to their religious affiliations."
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Of course; if you are in God's Army, all tactics are approved.
What we see is over 99% of the population living in squalor, with a life expectancy of around 25 years.
The average life expectancy in India is over 62 years for both males and females. Source
So, you are wrong, as usual.
How do you manage to be wrong about almost everything you say? Its just unbelievable! (Or is that creation "science" you're practicing?)
I'm not sure what our disagreement is here- by any measure, both Cambridge and Oxford were publicly-funded, and always have been.
You're moving the goalposts, as usual. You original listed a parade of horribles and said those things inevitably happen in non-Judeo-Christian countries. I pointed out two where those things do not happen now, but you seem to want to talk about the past.
Not really a road you want to go down, given that Christians did many of the horrible things you mentioned, in the past.
Also,...Hindus regularly attack Christians and burn their churches. For proof just do a Google on the words: Hindus, Christians Attack Burn.
A few isolated incidents. Post 9/11, a bunch of white trash idiots murdered a handful of Sikhs and other non-Christians in the country, but no one can rightfully damn Christians in this country for the actions of a few.
No, it didn't. It ruled that non-belief gets the same treatment under the 1st Amendment as belief in a particular religion. That is, government can't discriminate against non-believers any more than it can discriminate against Baptists.
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Then "not overtly religious" is overtly religious, and atheistitic. Orwell was prescient.
There are the children of God and there are the forces of satan. There’s no holding your hands over your ears and humming it away.
My idea of an ideal education is one that his parent chooses for him.This is true whether the education chosen has a godless or God-centered education. The parent knows his child better than the government.
My of an ideal education (godless or God-centered) is one in which the taxpayer is **not** forced to pay for a religious worldview that he finds abhorrent ( godless or God-centered).
My ideal education for all the children in this nation is one that is completely separated from the government. What education needs is complete separation of **school***and state.
My idea of an ideal education is complete freedom of conscience and freedom of government oppression for all children and parents. (godless or God-centered).
If we do the above we will have far few school disputes in the courts. We should start working toward that ideal, now!
Actually I'm looking forward to seeing the first Louisiana school board approve ID materials under their new law.
Surely after all these years the ID movement must have produced some science. :)
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A state of non-belief is impossible.
**ALL** sentient human beings have a religious worldview. Why? Answered: The existence of God can not be proved. Therefore...any belief about God's existence or non-existence is based purely and solely on **faith**!
A person can **believe** that there is no god. His religious faith and belief is therefore atheism.
A person **believes* that it is possible to have a God, and he also **believes** it is possible not to have God. His religious faith and belief is agnosticism.
A person can believe their is a God. His religious faith and belief is God-centered.
Sure they did! Remember that ID classic, Of Pandas and Peoples?
India practices selective abortion on females. There are reports that infant girls who do make it to birth have a **much** high incidence of death than boy babies. The ratio girls to boys is grossly out of wack in that country.
The disproportion of boys to girls is **NOT** happening because of a “few extremist groups”. It is a reflection of a deep contempt for human life.
This disproportion of males to females demonstrates an extreme misogyny toward females and profound lack of respect for womankind. This contempt for women is culture wide and very deep.
That they would deny medicine, food, and care to a girl baby resulting in high death rate for female babies is a society that profoundly cruel! This is a culture wide cruelty.
It is plainly evident that the entire culture of India does not see women and girls as being equal in the sight of God. Could this be because of the false gods that they worship?
You are holding India up as an example of a civilized nation??? Unbelievable! Thankfully the U.S. isn't that bad ...( yet)!
The government has no First Amendment Right to herd children ( who have committed no crime) into prison like buildings and tell them to shut up! Government in its schools had NO right to crush every First Amendment Right, and then also subject them the non-neutral indoctrination in the religious belief of Secular Humanism.
Parents have the right to do that. Private schools that are freely chosen by the parent do have that right. We have a First Amendment to protect us from **government***! Somehow the First Amendment gets overlooked when it comes to police threat government K-12 schools.
As for the UC, there are fewer First Amendment violations since attendance is voluntary...but...since no education is religiously neutral, the UC is trampling the establishment clause of the First Amendment by establishing an atheistic Secular Humanist worldview.
I think the ID movement reached its peak when they had their #1 expert testify under oath that he thought God was dead!
You are right! The actions of government have consequences and those consequences are **not** religiously, politically, or culturally neutral!
It is for this reason our Founding Father attempted to have as **LIMITED** a government as possible with very ***few*** assigned responsibilities.
We should strive to return to that ideal of limited government. The first place to start would be privatizing our existing structure of government education.
If it were up to me, I would start with the Universities of California colleges and universities.
Government schools **grossly** discriminate against those who believe in God!
I see you missed post #298. Here it is again:
Post #298:
Schools can only teach from two philosophical positions:
Godless or God-centered. Of course, there are subsets to these worldviews.
But...Music for instance can be religious or secular. Secular music can promote religion, be neutral to it, or be detrimental religious belief.
Ah!...But...Schools are either one or the other. They either promote and establish a child's religion or they are hostile to it. There is no middle ground.
A godless school does not pray to God daily or hourly, or before test, or when there is an accident. A school must make a decision. It has daily or hourly prayer to that child's specific God or it doesn't. The is no middle ground here.
A godless school does not refer to the child's religious teachings of his specific God to uphold or refute an argument.
A godless school does not read from the child's scriptures on a daily basis or use the child's scriptures to clarify a moral or ethical point.
In a godless school, the teacher will very likely **never** refer to the historical events in a child's religion to strengthen the moral and ethical values of a lesson.
Godless schools do not allow the child to freely refer to his religious beliefs or read from his religious scriptures as he wishes in class or even for most of the day.
A godless school does not allow the child to freely promote or discuss his religion, or freely hand out religious written material with other classmates.
A godless school will assign the child to work and play with children whose beliefs are hostile to the child's worldview, and allow those with hostile religious beliefs to undermine his family's religious traditions.
A godless school will schedule events such as theater, sporting competitions, and dances on days that the child considers holy: Sunday, Friday evening, and Saturday, and religious festivals.
A godless school will tempt even the youngest children with delicious looking and smelling foods that are proscribed by the child's religion: Coffee, caffeine, unKosher foods, pork, milk and meat together. A godless school will allow children to tempt each other with these foods.
A godless school will allow other children to wear highly fashionable outfits and allow them to tempt the religious child with clothing that will cause him to drift from his religion.
Will all godless schools do all of the above. All godless schools share a number of key items of the above that define them as godless. The other points may or may not be consistently shared by all godless schools.
All of the above teaches the child that his prayer, scriptures, holidays, foods, traditions, and customs are irrelevant to getting along in the world and unnecessary in evaluating anything or everything in his cultural environment. This is NOT a religiously neutral lesson.
God centered schools (that conform the religious subset of the child) will do none of the above. These schools are extensions of the religious teachings found at home.
This is why there must be complete separation of school and state. No matter what government does it will establish the religious worldview of some ( godless or God-centered) and destroy that of others.
Government schools are a freedom of conscience and First Amendment **nightmare**!!! This case of UC and the Christian school is merely one of **thousands** of similar conflicts.
We must begin the process of privatizing education in the U.S.
On the K-12 level children are under police threat to attend these godless government indoctrination centers.
You might think so, but in a more recent case in California, the judge cited that same expert as being the most effective witness for the other side.
Please read post #333.
The entire culture of India has a profound disrespect for life. The gross disproportion of males to females is proof positive.
This is **not** the right approach.
Why?
1) Evolution or ID is a tiny, tiny, tiny drop in the constant, full-open, firehose nozzle of the Secular Humanist indoctrination that children get every day in government school.
If you think getting ID into the godless government school is going to make a difference then please go fight a raging forest fire with an eyedropper.
2) Any government powerful enough to force ID on other people's children is powerful enough to do far, far, far worse to Christian children.
3) Forcing an idea on unwilling parents and children by threat of government force is stealing their free agency and freedom of conscience. As Christian we are commanded by God not to steal.
Solution: If you **really** want to stick it to the atheistic Secular Humanists go for their most powerful pulpit: THE GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS!
Government schools need two things: Students and money. Starve them of **both**!
*Get your kids out of government schools.
*Encourage your neighbors to do the same.
*Ask Christian teachers who teach in the government school, “
Why are you helping to destroy children's souls!” Put them on the defensive and make them explain **why** they would help a school teach atheism!
*Demand that you minister open and organize: homeschool cooperatives, one room school houses, tutoring centers.
*Help those single moms to get their kids out of the government schools and into a solid Christian education. Do this and we might not have another generation of fatherless kids and single moms.
*Work like crazy for tax credits and tax credit scholarship foundations.
*Organize with you neighbors to elect government representatives who will privatize education by funding the child **not** the government school.
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