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Attn McCain Haters: SHUT Your Stinking TRAP! (Vanity)
skank the sock puppet ^ | 3/30/08 | Cinnamon Girl

Posted on 03/31/2008 8:36:23 AM PDT by Cinnamon Girl

By now, most McCain haters will have already skipped down to the comments section to post their expletives and tell me how it’s a free country and they have a 1st Amendment right, etc. to yammer on and on about how bad McCain sucks, totally missing the point of my post, again. But I’m here to tell you, in this free country, that in my opinion, you should SHUT YOUR STINKIN TRAP! To all you ingrates, rageaholics, and self-absorbed punks, WE KNOW YOU HATE MCCAIN. You can give yourself a rest now and stop posting on every single thread the same exact comments. I’m not going to name names, but I will if I have to. I think we all know by now who I’m talking about. The folks who post the same pictures and the same comments on EVERY SINGLE THREAD. We got it. You aren’t voting for McCain. Fine. Time to move on. Yes, that’s my opinion. You have had enough time to accept the reality that John Sidney McCain III, WAR HERO, is the Republican nominee. Some folks on FR have used this time to learn more about Johnny, realize that he isn’t as bad as they thought, grow up, act like adults, and get in gear to vote for him. Some of you have decided not only to beat your collective dead horse everyday, banging out the same tiresome gripes about McCain on every thread, but you’ve also gotten increasingly VITRIOLIC. I’m talking about the following trash:

1. Saying McCain isn’t really a war hero because (insert stupid lie here.)

2. Declaring that McCain urged the U.S. government to leave other POWs back in Vietnam (for what reason would he do this exactly? Don’t bother, I don’t want to hear your lies anymore.)

3. Insulting other FR posters who like or support Johnny by using profanity, vulgarity, and name calling. YOU ARE DIMINISHING FR with your hostile posts—this kind of stuff belongs on low rent leftie sites like DU, or Daily Kos, not FREE REPUBLIC, the shining star of conservative websites.

4. AND FINALLY, the filthiest load in the McCain Haters’ verbal trebuchet: wishing, hoping or praying that John Sidney McCain III would come to some misfortune which would prevent him from living to be President. THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST DISGUSTING. How can you wish that a decent, G-d fearing man who suffered and sacrificed out of love for this country, who, BY THE GRACE OF G-D, survived five years of torture and imprisonment only to return to service in the military—how could you wish him anything but a long, long life? Shameful. And don’t DARE try to suggest that you are any better in moral character or principle than the angry liberal scum who wish ill upon President Bush or our troops. If your definition of “conservative” is to rage daily and most repulsively against our next President, then please call me a “right wing Reaganite traditionalist” because I want no part of your scene. I realize that some talk show hosts like Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity don’t like Johnny, but I don’t recall hearing them praying for his untimely demise. No, that is the talk of the dregs of society, not adults who have their act together.

And just a heads up to all the McCain haters: I am ignoring your tirades henceforth. I can’t stop you from posting your garbage, but I certainly don’t have acknowledge it. Basically, the point of posts from people who like Johnny these days is to share daily news: tracking polls, statements he has made, who he is touring with, speeches he has given, leaders he has met with, etc. What is YOUR point? To seek out people to commiserate with? To insult fellow conservatives who’ve decided having a responsible leader in a time of war trumps giving the GOP a spanking? To try and rally others to joins the haters camp?

Are you going to do this for the next several years? If so, the best advice I can give to the non-haters is to wade through the rage and seek out the decent and the productive on FR. Do not waste your time debating the haters, because they seem to thrive on self-righteousness and rage. Try as they might, they have given absolutely no GOOD reason to allow a dem to win the presidency. Their continued daily rantings about why they hate McCain, on EVERY thread about him, only serve to define their insanity.

I seek out those of like mind. G-d Bless John Sidney McCain III.

P.S. McCain haters, please review the link in order to familiarize yourselves with the sound of Skank's voice so you can hear his directive in your head when you are about to post something vile.


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A report by a high level Defense Intelligence Agency analyst, John F. McCreary, showed that John McCain was responsible for having the live sighting reports of our POWs/MIAs shredded.

May 3, 1992

Memorandum for: Vice Chairman, Senate Select Committee on Prisoners of War and Missing in Action

From: John F. McCreary

Subject: Possible Violations of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, by the Select Committee and Possible Ethical Misconduct by Staff Attorneys.

1. Continuing analysis of relevant laws and further review of the events between 8 April and 16 April 1992 connected with the destruction of the Investigators' Intelligence Briefing Text strongly indicate that the order to destroy all copies of that briefing text on 9 April and the actual destruction of copies of the briefing texts plus the purging of computer files might constitute violations of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, which imposes criminal penalties for unlawful document destruction. Even absent a finding of criminal misconduct, statements, actions, and failures to act by the senior Staff attorneys following the 9 April briefing might constitute serious breaches of ethical standards of conduct for attorneys, in addition to violations of Senate and Select Committee rules. The potential consequences of these possible misdeeds are such that they should be brought to the attention of all members of the Select Committee, plus all Designees and Staff members who were present at the 9 April briefing.

2. The relevant section of Title 18, U.S.C., states in pertinent part: Section 2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally (a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined not more than $2,000 or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 795)

3. The facts as the undersigned and others present at the briefing recall them are presented in the attached Memorandum for the Record. A summary of those facts - and others that have been established since that Memorandum was written - follows.

a. On 8 April 1992, the Investigators' Intelligence Briefing Text was presented to Senior Staff members and Designees for whom copies were available prior to beginning the briefing. Objections to the text by the Designees prompted the Staff Director to order all persons present to leave their copies of the briefing text in Room SRB078. Subsequent events indicated that two copies had been removed without authorization.

b. On 9 April 1992, at the beginning of the meeting of the Select Committee and prior to the scheduled investigators' briefing, Senator McCain produced a copy of the intelligence briefing text, with whose contents he strongly disagreed. He charged that the briefing text had already been leaked to a POW/MIA activist, but was reassured by the Chairman that such was not the case. He replied that he was certain it would be leaked. Whereupon, the Chairman assured Senator McCain that there would be no leaks because all copies would be gathered and destroyed, and he gave orders to that effect. No senior staff member or attorney present cautioned against a possible violation of Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, or of Senate or Select Committee Rules.

c. Following the briefing on 9 April, the Staff Director, Ms. Frances Zwenig, restated to the intelligence investigators the order to destroy the intelligence briefing text and took measures to ensure execution of the destruction order. (See paragraph 3 of the attachment.) During one telephone conversation with the undersigned, she stated that she was "acting under orders."

d. The undersigned also was instructed to delete all computer files, which Mr. Barry Valentine witnessed on 9 April.

e. In a meeting on 15 April 1992, the Staff's Chief Counsel, J. William Codinha, was advised by intelligence investigators of their concerns about the possibility that they had committed a crime by participating in the destruction of the briefing text. Mr. Codinha minimized the significance of the documents and of their destruction. He admonished the investigators for "making a mountain out of a molehill."

f. When investigators repeated their concern that the order to destroy the documents might lead to criminal charges, Mr. Codinha replied "Who's the injured party." He was told, "The 2,494 families of the unaccounted for US Servicemen, among others." Mr. Codinha then said, "Who's gonna tell them. It's classified." At that point the meeting erupted. The undersigned stated that the measure of merit was the law and what's right, not avoidance of getting caught. To which Mr. Codinha made no reply. At no time during the meeting did Mr. Codinha give any indication that any copies of the intelligence briefing text existed.

g. Investigators, thereupon, repeatedly requested actions by the Committee to clear them of any wrongdoing, such as provision of legal counsel. Mr. Codinha admitted that he was not familiar with the law and promised to look into it. He invited a memorandum from the investigators stating what they wanted. Given Mr. Codinha's statements and reactions to the possibility of criminal liability, the investigators concluded they must request appointment of an independent counsel. A memorandum making such a request and signed by all six intelligence investigators was delivered to Mr. Codinha on 16 April.

h. At 2130 on 16 April, the Chairman of the Senate Select Committee, convened a meeting with the intelligence investigators, who told him personally of their concern that they might have committed a crime by participating in the destruction of the briefing texts at the order of the Staff Director. Senator Kerry stated that he gave the order to destroy the documents, not the Staff Director, and that none of the Senators present at the meeting had objected. He also stated that the issue of document destruction was "moot" because the original briefing text had been deposited with the Office of Senate Security "all along." Both the Staff Director and the Chief Counsel supported this assertion by the Chairman.

i. Senator Kerry's remarks prompted follow-up investigations (See paragraphs 4 through 9 of the attachment) and inquiries that established that a copy of the text was not deposited in the Office of Senate Security until the afternoon of 16 April. The Staff Director has admitted that on the afternoon of 16 April, after receiving a copy of a memorandum from Senator Bob Smith to Senator Kerry in which Senator Smith outlined his concerns about the destruction of documents, she obtained a copy of the intelligence briefing text from the office of Senator McCain and took it to the Office of Senate Security. Office of Senate Security personnel confirmed that the Staff Director gave them an envelope, marked "Eyes Only," to be placed in her personal file. The Staff Director has admitted that the envelope contained the copy of the intelligence briefing text that she obtained from the office of Senator McCain.

3. The facts of the destruction of the intelligence briefing text would seem to fall inside the prescriptions of the Statute, Title 18, U.S.C., Section 2071, so as to justify their referral for investigation to a competent law enforcement authority. The applicability of that Statute was debated in United States v. Poindexter, D.D.C. 1989, 725 F. Supp. 13, in connection with the Iran Contra investigation. The District Court ruled, inter alia, that the National Security Council is a public office within the meaning of the Statute and, thus, that its records and documents fell within the protection of the Statute. In light of that ruling, the Statute would seem to apply to this Senate Select Committee and its Staff. The continued existence of a "bootleg" copy of the intelligence briefing text - i.e., a copy that is not one of those made by the investigators for the purpose of briefing the Select Committee - would seem to be irrelevant to the issues of intent to destroy and willfulness; as well as to the issue of responsibility for the order to destroy all copies of the briefing text, for the attempt to carry out that order, and for the destruction that actually was accomplished in execution of that order.

4. As for the issue of misconduct by Staff attorneys, all member of the Bar swear to uphold the law. That oath may be violated by acts of omission and commission. Even without a violation of the Federal criminal statute, the actions and failures to act by senior Staff attorneys in the sequence of events connected with the destruction of the briefing text might constitute violations

of ethical standards for members of the Bar and of both Senate and Select Committee rules. The statements, actions and failures to act during and after the meeting on 15 April, when the investigators gave notice of their concern about possible criminal liability for document destruction, would seem to reflect disregard for the law and for the rules of the United States Senate. John F. McCreary
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641 posted on 04/01/2008 12:54:20 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

1. Your opinion ain’t breaking news. In fact it ain’t even news.

2. I hate McCain.


642 posted on 04/01/2008 12:54:28 PM PDT by saganite
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To: mnehrling; GOP_Party_Animal

Thank you so much! I knew I didn’t have it quite right, that there was more to it.


643 posted on 04/01/2008 12:56:28 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://blog.LibertyRocks.us - see also; http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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To: Rebelbase
What makes my post "holier-than-thou"?

This thread began as a holier-than-thou attitude thread.

It is still disturbing that you continue to refer to POW/MIA names as spam.
I am confident that David M. Winters would comment if he was available to do so.

644 posted on 04/01/2008 12:59:06 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Smogger

And please note that Mr. “anti-free speech” has a link to Free Republic on his website.


645 posted on 04/01/2008 1:00:14 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (McCain calls it "radical islamic terrorism," the dems don't refer to it at all)
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To: LibertyRocks

Had a long discussion with a local Rabbi and close friend about this a while back. There is so much that Christians can learn from our Jewish brothers about traditions and history Christianity was originally based on.


646 posted on 04/01/2008 1:01:26 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Calpernia

I have been pondering this portion of Mr. McCreary’s findings for a while now, but I cannot see how this proves McCain did anything illegal. What it does prove (at least to me) is this:

That he (McCain) “strongly disagreed” with the findings in the intelligence briefing text (IBT).

The copy of the IBT in McCain’s (Office’s) possession was not destroyed on the 9th of April, 1992. This is proven by the reason below.

That the only surviving copy of the IBT was actually produced by McCain’s office, and deposited in the Office of Senate Security on the 16th of April, 1992.

I am not posting this to you to “defend McCain” or be a “McCainiac” or disparage you, or to get into a fight with you. However, based on this post, I don’t see how my interpretation of it (the post) is wrong.

Please advise.


647 posted on 04/01/2008 1:02:45 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Coldwater Creek; mnehrling

He also thinks it is perfectly acceptable to pick my pocket to fund unproven embryonic stem cell research.


648 posted on 04/01/2008 1:03:56 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

McCain is the best of the 3 left at this point, I’ll give you that hands-down. That the GOP has supported him as the best American Conservatives have to offer for the good of our country is definitely troubling to say the least.


649 posted on 04/01/2008 1:04:07 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://blog.LibertyRocks.us - see also; http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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To: mnehrling

I wholeheartedly agree with you.


650 posted on 04/01/2008 1:05:01 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://blog.LibertyRocks.us - see also; http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Good, when he is back from Burlington County, I hope he realizes that Ralph L. Carlock, is not available for comment.
651 posted on 04/01/2008 1:06:29 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Cinnamon Girl; dynachrome

Like other things your link is broken.


652 posted on 04/01/2008 1:08:38 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: Calpernia
There should be mass outrage.

There is...it just happens to be directed at those of us who will not fall in line.

He should be in the brig, not running for POTUS.

AMEN! Along with his ____ buddy, jon EFFIN Carry!

653 posted on 04/01/2008 1:10:26 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Calpernia

ROFL... You got me chuckling with that comment. :)


654 posted on 04/01/2008 1:12:15 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://blog.LibertyRocks.us - see also; http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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To: FourtySeven

This is one memo of three reports. All copies were ordered destroyed even though they thankfully weren’t. The information held back in these live sightings is what closed the accounting of these men.


655 posted on 04/01/2008 1:13:25 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: El Gran Salseron
When people vote for the lesser of two evils then people are guaranteed to get evil elected.

Lets assume we are dealing with real 'evil' here, which I think is really reducing the definition of evil.. the reality is, we are dealing with humans, worse, politicians, and thus, by nature, we are all evil. Elections will always be the lesser of two evils, or, as a great writer once said, your choice is always between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.

The point is we are Conservatives. We don't hang our entire life on who is elected for what office. Conservatives aren't bound by what happens in Washington to run or 'fix' their lives. We vote for the person who will do the least damage because we know, more government is always damage.

Why the heck are we all wanting someone to come in and declare I'm from the Government and I'm here to help?

To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last - but eat you he will. Ronald Reagan

My previous rantings on this..

656 posted on 04/01/2008 1:13:40 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Calpernia

I should note that it’s not due to the issue, but rather in comparison to the other posts in the same vain throughout the thread... Pretty sure you knew that though. :)


657 posted on 04/01/2008 1:14:37 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://blog.LibertyRocks.us - see also; http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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To: Calpernia
This is one memo of three reports. All copies were ordered destroyed even though they thankfully weren’t. The information held back in these live sightings is what closed the accounting of these men.

True, however what appears clear is that from April 9th to April 16th, the only office to keep a copy intact was the office of Sen. McCain. Is this correct?

659 posted on 04/01/2008 1:18:08 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: mnehrling

Good points to consider, especially this year, IMO.


660 posted on 04/01/2008 1:18:16 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://blog.LibertyRocks.us - see also; http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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