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For all Freepers who plan to stay home on election day to teach the GOP a lesson
Yahoo News ^ | Jan 9 2008 | Me

Posted on 01/08/2008 11:25:26 PM PST by Justice

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: clinton; hillary; nh2008
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To: A CA Guy

I am a guy who has recognized that even if we vote in a republic president, congress and senate, every election for the next thousand years, we are still going global. We will still cease to be us, a free sovereign state. My reaction has been to attack every factor that supports that eventuality.

Today I attack the republican party because they are the stealth enabler. Many people do not see this. Many people think our leaders would not sell us out as the European leaders have their peoples, to surrender to the E.U.

Have I given up simply because I refuse that fate?

Or have you, for accepting that fate?

If the republican party will not stop supporting this fate, then we need to change the party or kill it in favor of one that will.

It is time to say to the republican party, you do not represent me. And that being the case, you lose.

Next time nominate someone who does, or pass into oblivion.

I will NEVER accept global rule. I recognize the stars and stripes and the founding principles.

It’s time we turn back to them. No, it’s way past time when we should have, and every conservative knows this.


641 posted on 01/15/2008 9:51:51 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: A CA Guy

I consider this a debate. I do not consider it scolding, berating or anything of a negative sort.

We’re FReeper friends and I realize you desire the same things I do. We see the options from a different perspective. Ten years ago, I would have agreed with you. Today, I no longer can.

You take care. I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I know that last one was quite extensive.

D1


642 posted on 01/15/2008 9:56:19 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Abundy

That’s the way I see also. We keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.

So what if their libs take us down. Our libs are doing the same thing. It’s time for a second party.

That’s harsh because our side does a couple of things right, but globalism is the ultimate goal. Not no. Hell no!


643 posted on 01/15/2008 9:59:23 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: marsh2
I will vote for a candidate who is not a socialist. Someone who is not for taxation to redistribute wealth; centralized social programs....

I guess you'll be staying home in November.

644 posted on 01/15/2008 10:23:26 AM PST by kevao
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To: DoughtyOne
We’ll also have no borders, laws that are dictated by an American Union that have been approved by the U.N., no self-representation, no rights, no guns, a very neutered access to religion, communistic/socialistic governance of the sort ever honorable U.S. Citizen/and many non-U.S. citizens have fought against for eternity.

And that's only the GOP platform. Just think of what the Dems would do to this country!!!

645 posted on 01/15/2008 10:29:20 AM PST by kevao
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Amen.


646 posted on 01/15/2008 10:31:51 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: kevao

LOL, smart ass. Heh heh heh...

You’re right. I can hardly imagine, but at that point the republicans would probably find reason to approve.


647 posted on 01/15/2008 10:33:44 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: DoughtyOne

I agree, it is a debate.

Also for me it is trying to pass on some history to others who have not learned the lessons of Ross Perot getting us Clinton.
Granted you know most of the history all to well, but some others are young, uninformed or for some history goes only back two days ago... :-)


648 posted on 01/16/2008 7:16:52 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I can see us competing globally, but I don’t see a one government world.
I see us wanting to retain our sovereignty as a country, but I think so many are not paying attention right now because they are traveling, enjoying life and watching American Idol.

Another Islamic terror attack, a really bad recession, gas going up to $5 a gallon and people will start to get far more involved in politics.

As it is, I would guess only at most 10% investigate anything and maybe another 30% get their ideas from family and friends. Most to their detriment are NOT politically active as they should be. At least they should be informed IMO.

649 posted on 01/16/2008 7:20:46 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Clinton may have signed on, but it had to pass something like 75% in the House or Senate (I can’t remember, but some super majority) for it to be a treaty.
Only a treaty is supposed to be in stone.
650 posted on 01/16/2008 7:23:27 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DoughtyOne

2008 is especially a bad year to elect a Democrat because two liberal Justices will retire, one from age, one from cancer.


651 posted on 01/16/2008 7:24:43 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Yep, 1994 was a success, but as new folks settled in they became more concerned with reelection and being Democrats give away government jobs, contracts and the treasury to get elected, some of those Republicans IMO moved a bit left with the pressure to compete.

Let’s face it, if the Dems had no gazillion government employees, and people getting benefits to vote for them, they’d never get elected.

Seems every election the Dems have 33% built in before they start with teachers, government unions, recipients of assistance and so forth. So in many cases the Dems have to find 17% +1 more votes when the Republicans have to get a whole 50% +1.

We have to reduce government employment and all that for both economic and political solvency’s sake.

652 posted on 01/16/2008 7:30:37 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DoughtyOne
In Mexico Calderon (sp?) has been a great President.
Has been fighting the narcotics and corruption.
Lots of law officials have been assassinated over going after drug lords and other criminals.

Mexico sucks, but we can hardly MAKE them do anything, just like we can’t make Pakistan let us in to get Bin Laden or other terrorists.

653 posted on 01/16/2008 7:33:55 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

The other two posts didn’t have much for me to respond to. I appreciate the comments.

This post did. You mentioned the 75% necessary to vote in order to ratify what Clinton did. It doesn’t work that way.

We were playing by U.N. rules. The U.N. only required the signature of a national leader to bring the I.C.C. into being. It was ratified in this manner.

If you wish to say the U.S. wouldn’t be bound by the I.C.C., it’s a pyrric victory. You see, the U.S. would be loathe to make and affront to the court. We have already had litigation before this court if I remember accurately.

We talk a big game when it comes to international agencies, but we always tow the line.

There is an I.C.C. today. We are subject to it’s rulings even if our Congress did not ratify it, because we accept what the WTO, the ICC and the UN tell us. Basicly, we’re had.

If you can think of examples to disprove this, by all means provide them.


654 posted on 01/16/2008 10:55:26 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: A CA Guy

One poster said there could be as many as five. Just letting you know you may be mentioning too few to make this arguement.

Well, that being the case, I guess it’s vitally important we nominate a conservative isn’t it.


655 posted on 01/16/2008 10:57:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: A CA Guy

I wouldn’t disagree with your conclusion, but I’m not sure the dems benefit as much as it seems they would from government jobs. There seems to be about a 35% base on each side, and about 30% in the middle, although some address a 40/40/20 figure.

Do we need to cut government jobs? You bet your -— we do.


656 posted on 01/16/2008 10:59:22 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: A CA Guy

Mexico and the U.S. conduct a lot of trade. We purchase a lot of their oil. And we take a lot of guff.

Mexico is not in the driver’s seat. We are. Our GNP is probably fifty times what Mexico’s is. Mexico talks a big game, but it’s not going to ignore the wishes of the U.S., if we actually showed some backbone.

If we slam that border shut and shut off the services, they’re in for a real hard time.

We need to demand they open up the middle class and employ the poor.

It’s time to see Mexico clean up it’s act, and it’s a major embarassment to watch our team act as if Mexico called the shots for us. That just insulting.


657 posted on 01/16/2008 11:03:56 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Justice

Very few people who stay home will be trying to “teach a lesson.” They simply will not see voting for the available candidates as a compelling reason to go to the polls. For most it won’t be a conscious decision. It will be not getting around to it or going fishing instead. The point is that there won’t be a positive reason to jerk their consciousness. Negative voting just does not attract the crowds of voters that perceived Optimism and Determination do. Not many people voted for Reagan to keep whats-his-name from getting elected. If this election becomes one in which a large segment of the Republican base has to “hold its nose” then too many just won’t get around to it. It will be worse if the Democrat is Hussein Obama. He has the aggressive optimism and the can-do aura that Reagan had but among Democrats and independents. He combines those qualities with zero policy and goal substance which goes a long way to really turn on the Democrat base and will not be felt as sufficiently threatening by Republicans if they are already not enthused by “their” own candidate.


658 posted on 01/16/2008 11:46:29 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: DoughtyOne
The UN can say we signed what ever deal with the devil, but if our people want out, we’d opt out and do it IMO.

Of course the UN are going to make it a minor gesture to get in, but that only goes well as long as the people of the United States are happy.

659 posted on 01/17/2008 12:21:22 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I hope a conservative gets through to the main election. The Republicans are the only ones that could come up with an electable candidate against the Democrats though.


660 posted on 01/17/2008 12:24:55 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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